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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 09:57pm PT
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You're last comment is very enlightened, Dingus, from someone who poses as such. Nice try! You can bo better, dude, dig deeper...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
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I just remember waking up in a Paris park one morning once upon a time just beyond the Louvre to the view of one fella giving it to another - and really my only thought was they're having a way better time than me, what's MY problem. :)
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Leggs
Sport climber
California originally, Old Pueblo presently..
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:08pm PT
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Edit: Ok, here are two open clubs. Is the Stonewall still on Stone down around Miracle Mile?
Is the bath-house with all the tubs outside still in the Foothills just off Silverbell? Indoors was kinda slimy, but I took a couple babes to the outdoor tubs.
I can't give you the house addresses of the private clubs, its been too long, and they change around a lot over the years. But I can tell a few STORIES about them. But I think you wouldn't like them.
Maybe I should just search the web for gay bars. You'd be amazed what you might see.
I ain't been there in a long time, but you fly me out and in two days I will give you a tour. I bet Guy (Gee) still lives there, he'd turn me on and tune me in.
Wow.
You ARE gay.
Groundbreaking.
Shhhhhhhhh....shhhhhhh.... shhhhhhhh
you go to sleep.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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Wow! Some people have sure put a lot of time and effort into this thread. I think that the most important point was made by Factortwo, way back at the beginning.
"He is way too old to be a father".
EJ is now 62, and will be 80 when the child graduates from high school. How many posters to this thread had parents who were 80 years old when they graduated? Not one, I'll bet. How many even had parents who were 60? Very few, if any. It's just not fair for kids to have parents that old. He/she will be looking after EJ, instead of the other way around.
On a happier and related note, a friend of mine is now acting as a surrogate mother for another friend, who had a hysterectomy after a diagnosis of cancer. This child, to be born in February, will also have two mothers. Neither woman is a lesbian. [Note that in Canada, federal law forbids any payment for surrogacy]. Just one person helping out another. Nice.
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ncrockclimber
climber
NC
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:17pm PT
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F*#k dude, I just googled Tucson Gay Clubs, and I got almost 399,000 listings!
Something tells me that this is not the first time that RoxOnMen'sCox has done this. Seriously, he should quit resisting, lube up and take it like the bitch that he yearns to be. I am sure that he can find fulfillment by embracing his true calling as a nelly bottom.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
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hey peter mayfield-
that was a nice post. personally, i love nothing more than to to see honesty and openness trump bigotry and ignorance, and you just offered that up with such gracefulness and humility, a total absence of the FU in your face stuff that many of us are so guilty of in these threads, that was really a fine example of what it is to be a human being and to communicate about something meaningful. i thank you for that. cheers big ears, i wanna buy you a beer, sir.
rox-
posting academic literature from your computer screen in idaho hardly trumps the personal experience of people who live in more cosmopolitan and progressive cities, like many of us do. i personally grew up in san francisco. i am a straight white male, and most of the people i know are also straight, but i also know lots and lots of homosexual men and women. i know people who may now or may in the past have lived some wild lifestyles, and yes, some of those people are gay, but some of them are straight, believe me when i tell you that straight people live wild lives too... but i know far far more people who are so exactly like the people i want to be like, who live lives like i want to live my life, who are honest and hard working and intelligent and who would make great parents, or who are great parents, and yes, many of those people are gay, just as many are straight.
you can't publish some long (winded) bibliography and make that truth go away.
you can't be the one pretending that some abstract or article you glean from the www determines who is or is not a good candidate for parenthood and then tell others they are not open-minded, i can find articles on the www that prove nearly everything you can think of, it means nothing...
and it particularly means nothing when you are trying to prove something that 41 yrs of life experience has taught me is not true. what you have proven, and all you have proven, is the depth of your personal bias. at least just be like bluey and just say "hell yes i am biased, screw you, i wanna be biased". not that being openly biased is good, but at least you're not being delusional that way.
on that note- love will conquer all, and those of you trying to keep your (middle) finger in the dam, it's a losing battle, but nobody really cares if you wanna fight it, the demonstrable ongoing changes in demographics of this nation alone will defeat you over time, so party on wayne, party on garth...
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ncrockclimber
climber
NC
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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^^^
Well thought and eloquently worded. Thank you.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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I'm struggling to figure out why this is even an issue.
People fall in love. Gay or straight. Who cares? It doesn't affect anyone other than those in love and involved. Love and be loved. Doesn't make a difference as to who your affections lie with, as long as the party involved cares deeply for each other.
Good for Elton!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
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Talk about transgender - hell, I didn't know Fluoride was a woman until the first Sushifest! Holds her own with anyone on line or on rock.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:06pm PT
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People fall in love. Gay or straight. Who cares? It doesn't affect anyone other than those in love and involved. Love and be loved. Doesn't make a difference as to who your affections lie with, as long as the party involved cares deeply for each other.
Sounds really sweet too! Ahhh...
The question is, in case you didn't read the thread, whether or not it's a healthy environment for children. Especially if you're a flamboyant rock star!
I think not, but then I'm a stupid rednick bigot.
Sorry, Beth, just getting you up to speed.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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As long as kids have 2 parents who love them dearly, where's the problem??
Really??
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Dec 30, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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Some kids would settle for just one parent who loves them...gay or straight.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 30, 2010 - 01:04am PT
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what dick said
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Just a bunch of ignorant people showing their ignorance on a public forum.
First question to self should be "How does this effect me, personally?"
If greatly, than you may have a place on this thread.
If not in the slightest, than you have no say, and should mind yourself.
All at the same time, you have a right to make a fool of yourself just as much as I do, little bitches.
I'm not that type want to impose my beliefs on the masses. But I wonder what is it in one person that would want to impose their beliefs on others?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I'm ok with it all as long as them homosexuals don't have abortions.
That would against god's law. You can look it up.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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Last night I ran into a 'woman'- she said "I know you, we have worked together."
It took me a little while to figure it out, & later I said "Did you used to be _?"
She said yeah, & said that her 8 yr. old daughter calls her 'Maddy' (like Daddy), & that she still teaches martial arts and does some construction, gets along well with her ex-wife, & is much happier being herself as a transexual.
Vive la difference!
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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so wait, Jay-
her poor little confused kid is all kindza **f*#ked up**, right?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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The Evil one spoke: You'd have to ask the wonderful anwry teenager about that, I try. She will be an offwidth master though.
I don't envy you Jeff. 2 of the happier moments in my life was when my daughter was born and when she moved out at 18. She literally went from being an angel all of her childhood life ...to having that head spinning thing happening as she barfed pea soup and spoke like the devil at age 14 or so. She felt grown up and wanted emancipation and freedom and we were not able to give it to her. We had curfews earlier than her friends and the chafing for her was horribly difficult.
I promised her freedom if she could pin me to the mat. So she would often wrestle for her freedom, unsuccessfully, until her mother pointed out that with freedom comes responsibility and that once she was free to come and go whenever she wanted, then she had to pay rent as well! LOL. After she graduated high school and moved out for college, she once again became a wonderful person who loves and respects her parents, in fact I had a great conversation with her on the phone just yesterday (she has long since graduated from college and lives in another state). But I don't envy any person a smart, supercharged, strong personality teenage daughter. I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that ever again.
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