Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
|
bwaaahahahaaaaa!
Klimmer is a fool.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
I particularly like the part where the helicopter pilot points out that he tracked the object for 10 minutes. How fast do missiles travel?
This, Klimmer, is why your credibility around here stands at exactly ZERO.
fool.
Boy Nature, I like John Stewart just as well as the next guy or gal, but if you think he explained anything then you are seriously wrong. Sarcasm and humor are great, but you can be seriously delusional and wrong just the same.
The helicopter pilot who shot the footage was correct, it is a missile. But it was going NW away from L.A., away from the perspective of the viewer. See my argument above and the footage from GOES IR animation. You can see the exhaust plume. It is going away from L.A. just off of Pt. Conception to the NW. Also it wasn't being shot into NEO. It wasn't attaining speeds of 18,000mph that would put it into NEO. It stayed within Earth's atmosphere. The contrail runs out. My guess is that is ran out of fuel and fell harmlessly into the ocean in International waters.
My guess, whomever did it, did it as a show for effect and just at the right time so that many in SoCal would see it during rush hour and that the exhaust plume would be lite up and visible in the setting sun for a very long time. Perfect time to do it. Had it been shot from international waters toward the US, then that would have been an act of War.
If it was China or some other country and not ours, do you think they want to admit that? No, that is highly embarrassing. However, admitting that would be better than lying and making people (citizens) look like fools. However, our government has a very long history of lying and covering up. They have elevated it to a fine art.
Have we not seen this behavior before? Plenty.
They know what it is, where it was shot from, and very likely who did it, even if it is not ours. We have all kinds of means of surveillance via Satellite, RADAR, etc. that covers the Earth. If it was a jet they could map it and tell us exactly what flight it was and where it ultimately went. As a missile they can do the same exact thing. I'm sure Vandenburg AFB covers the entire region with RADAR, they have to. They can tell us exactly what it is if they want to. They don't want to.
They are playing dumb and playing US citizens and World citizens as suckers. It is CYA time at the DoD/Pentagon.
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:39pm PT
|
18000 miles per hour is how fast a missile travels. the helicopter pilot tracked it for 10 minutes.
do some math.
you have pie on your face.
It was a f*#king plane.
keep your conspiracies alive. what ever floats your boat. but with crap like this you give everyone less and less reason to even read what you have to say.
and Ron, you long ago proved to be a brainwashed fool so starting this thread doesn't touch your credibility.
and keep in mind Klimmer... i'm 100% behind your thread to bring Shrub and his band of wartime criminals to justice.
but if you think this was a missile you're a fool finding yourself more alone each and every hour.
even FauxF*#kingNews is now dispelling your conspiracy.
|
|
dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
|
Interesting thread, thanks.
DT.
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:51pm PT
|
Nature,
Specifically, tell me where I'm wrong.
Posting this again:
Monolith posted this in the other missile/rocket thread . . .
GOES IR 11-08-10 Animation Gif:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1860776&cid=34176978
Zoom in using browser to 400% and hit escape button at anytime to stop animation. You can see the exhaust/vapor plume begin way out in the Pacific immediately west of Pt. Conception.
Seems to me it blooms right out of the ocean, with a short hooked shape, and the exhaust immediately widens quickly. Then the whole exhaust/vapor mass drifts South-Eastward toward the coast.
Note from the bloom of exhaust/vapor trail, it is wide from the SE and narrows to the NW again indicating that it took-off toward the NW after launch from the ocean.
More evidence that it was a missile launch out at sea.
Here it is launching to the NW away from Los Angeles. Also note the specular light emitted from a single point source of light. Many of these specular flashes are visible in the video footage. This isn't reflected light but emitted light from the missile rocket engine:
Full footage of the KCAL original footage.
Mystery Rocket Launch Reported On Chinese News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SFTXJWV-I
RT: Mystery missile launch off California coast: Comes from submarine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE
Raw Video: Mysterious Missile Launch Off California Coast
http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/8541061/22944634
Gonna use some meteorology.
Note first of all the Cirrus cloud illuminated from below glowing pink in alpine glow (alpenglow). How high are Cirrus clouds in temperate zones, the mid-latitudes?
High Clouds: (Family A)
16,500 and 40,000 ft (5,000 and 12,000 m) in the temperate regions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud
That rocket is behind and above the pink fully illuminated Cirrus cloud. We can watch it travel behind the cirrus cloud in the video footage. It is not coming toward the city of L.A. but going away from the California coast in a WNW direction.
How is this true?
Because the contrail/vapor trail from the rocket is backlit from the setting sun. Note the edges of the contrail are illuminated and the central column is dark. That means it is backlit and the rocket contrail/vapor trail is getting lite up from beneath and behind. Note how the contrail gets lighter in color as it goes higher. As the rocket is getting higher, it is getting more and more into direct sunlight.
The specular emitted flashes from a single point source of light we see are the rocket engine. At times it gets obscured by the contrail/vapor trail and we lose sight of it because it is going up and away from the CA coast in a WNW direction.
It is a rocket.
If it was a jet contrail and the jet was flying toward the CA coast, the entire contrail would be illuminated evenly just as the cirrus cloud easily is that is below it.
Pentagon: ‘Mystery Missile’ Contrail Was Probably Airplane
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/pentagon-mystery-missile-contrail-was-probably-airplane/
Sure it was. Read the comments. Nobody is buying it.
And no not all missiles go 18,000 mph. Anyhting going 18,000 mph is going fast enough to leave Earth's atmosphere and go into orbit. Learn some physics. If you throw a baseball 18,000 mph it will go into orbit. If you shoot a cannon ball 18,000 mph it will go into orbit. Newton even said this after he discovered his Universal Law of Gravitation.
Do all missiles we fire go into Earth orbit? No.
Not all missiles/rockets go fast.
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
|
I'm not reading that crap again.
18000 miles. dude watched it for 10 minutes. In that time it traveled 3000 miles.
A fifth grader could do the math and realize he wasn't watching something moving at 18000 miles per hour.
it would have been long gone in a third of that time.
Three news networks look like idiots. So do you and Ron.
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
|
Once again for the reading challenged . . .
Nature,
And no not all missiles go 18,000 mph. Anything going 18,000 mph is going fast enough to leave Earth's atmosphere and go into orbit. Learn some physics. If you throw a baseball 18,000 mph it will go into orbit. If you shoot a cannon ball 18,000 mph it will go into orbit. Newton even said this after he discovered his Universal Law of Gravitation.
Do all missiles we fire go into Earth orbit? No.
Not all missiles/rockets go fast.
Learn something.
|
|
StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
|
Mystery Missle....so many inappropriate possibilities, so little time ;-)
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
|
oh I've had a mystery missile two mornings in a row. Tattoo girl approves.
think what you want, Klimmer. But when FauxNews goes on to snuff the missile story you got problems. Go back to lynching Shrub. You have no audience on this one.
|
|
Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
|
On the other hand: I was fascinated by AC's "WWII as a survival game" post.
Maybe this could be a way to teach "history high points" to the ADD generation.
|
|
TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
|
The space station in low earth orbit goes about 17,500 mph at about 240 miles up. The human rated space shuttle takes about 9.5 minutes to reach that velocity, accelerating at 3.5 Gs. An ICBM can accelerate faster with no humans on board; but doesn't want to reach that peak velocity because then you have to scrub off all that energy during re-entry; and that increases the challenge of ballistic targeting accuracy.
|
|
monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
|
Klimmer, then we can be sure this slow object wasn't a Chinese intercontinental ballistic missile like your 'expert' Madsen says and you posted.
Madsen is the guy you pay money to for deep insight right Klimmer?
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
|
there's no way to know that it wasn't what everyone says it wasn't. therefore we can conclude that by denying it's what we say it wasn't it must not be what we say it is.
got it?
|
|
corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
|
The temperature of a rocket flame is very hot. You can see them from
a long way off. The Nov 8 event showed no such flame so it was not a rocket.
Spy satellite sensors are always watching for these hot rocket flames
because someone might be sending a thermonuclear warhead our way.
Jet airplane exhausts are not hot enough to trigger satellite warning
systems.
The Nov 8 event did not trigger a warning so it was not a rocket.
But here's some red meat for conspiracy minded taco-ettes.
Pegasus® would trigger a launch warning with its 3 stage solid booster.
Patented Air Launch System
In a typical mission Pegasus delivers its payload into
orbit in a little over ten minutes launched from the under belly
of an L-1011 at 40,000ft.
http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/Publications/Pegasus_fact.pdf
|
|
dipper
climber
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
|
If you folks directed 1/100th the energy you spend on threads such as this towards:
helping someone learn to read
picking up trash around where you live
getting to know your neighbor
reading a book
sheesh, climbing
I dare say the world would be a lot better off.
|
|
monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
|
CC, we don't have to consider Pegasus. The conspiracy droids insist it came from the ocean.
How can eyewitness reports and instant analysis possibly be wrong?
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
|
John Moosie posted this last week, an eye-witness to an actual missile launch:
"9:40 minutes Alt 105 miles. Down range 1080 miles 14,000 mph"
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1305620&tn=40
Rockets are fast.
TV-Helicopter-Dude says he tracked his "chem-trail missile" for ten minutes. In ten minutes, a real missile will be at least 100 miles up ( and 1,000 miles down-range ). There is NO atmosphere 100 miles up there. No atmosphere = no contrails. An actual missile would have disappeared in a minute or two, not hang around for ten minutes.
It was an airplane, not a rocket.
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
|
c'mon chaz.... let's see the kite photos to back up your claim.
we all know you got 'em.
Wait....
it was one of your kites!
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Nov 11, 2010 - 10:54pm PT
|
Klimmer, then we can be sure this slow object wasn't a Chinese intercontinental ballistic missile like your 'expert' Madsen says and you posted.
Madsen is the guy you pay money to for deep insight right Klimmer?
Mono,
You assume too much. I'm not a member of Wayne's website, although I should be. I didn't post the original article just the link to the article. He used to post his articles for free, then he became a paying site. I've known about Wayne Madsen for a long time. He has really good insight as a former Navy and NSA insider, he is dialed in to the intelligence world, but he is not always right.
He usually admits when he blows it, or he has been mislead.
Apparently in the intelligence world there is good info and there is disinfo also.
3 things I'm very confident about. It was a missile, and the DoD/Pentagon knows what it was no matter who shot it off. Now they are spinning the story through the MSM.
Have you ever noticed that the truth usually is revealed first and then the back-tracking and spin begin, Roswell, 9-11, and now this . . .
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!