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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
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Cragman,
Nope, I didn't say so. Others did. Others discovered this not me. But I am glad they told us. I'm glad they told me. I'm just sharing the info.
See the first post.
Port,
Yes, they use one school girl among many other examples of people finding the evidence. That would be to show you how easy it is to do, to collect the evidence.
Talk about cherry picking. Why do you ignore the scientists who are collecting the data and evidence and presenting it?
How about the veteran USFS Soil scientist and all of his work surrounding Mt. Shasta?
Do any of you have a shred of concern? How long will your games of obfuscation, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks continue?
You are not arguing with me. I'm just the messenger relaying the info. I happen to agree with their conclusions. See the first post.
I'm looking forward to purchasing the DVD when it comes out.
And Port, I have no illusions of grandeur. In thoughtful jest I'm also just pointing out how flawed the DoJ's reasoning is. But they certainly make lists. Read all about COININTELPRO. The FBI even raids innocent War protesters homes and hauls these GOOD American citizens off to jail for expressing their first amendment rights. Gonna deny that too? Read the news.
So, when do you start protesting? When they come for you?
Edit:
Let's talk about how this directly effects climbers and skiers on Mt. Shasta. Perhaps it is just the Canary in the Coal mine?
By-the-way, when I climbed Mt. Shasta and BC skied down the mountain with a good friend, we didn't have to worry about this SAG program. This was before the program was apparently occuring.
Now the levels of Aluminum and Barium Oxides in the snow and in the freshwater supplies throughout the region and on the mountain are very, very high, beyond safe levels for drinking or ingesting aluminum.
So what are you going to do now? Carry your climbing pack full of potable water up the mountain?
Like I said, you might want to pay attention and get over your childish attacks.
Awaken!
(Hope that use of Awaken didn't offend anyone. Geeeeeeeees)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 10, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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Classic!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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I'll make this point again, since some of you are reading comprehension challenged:
Let's talk about how this directly effects climbers and skiers on Mt. Shasta. What are the effects? Perhaps it is just the Canary in the Coal mine?
By-the-way, when I climbed Mt. Shasta and BC skied down the mountain with a good friend, we didn't have to worry about this SAG program. This was before the program was apparently occuring.
Now the levels of Aluminum and Barium Oxides in the snow and in the freshwater supplies throughout the region and on the mountain are very, very high, beyond safe levels for drinking or ingesting aluminum.
So what are you going to do now? Carry your climbing pack full of potable water up the mountain?
Like I said, you might want to pay attention and get over your childish attacks.
Awaken!
(once again I hope I didn't offend you with that last word)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying-part-ii.html
Yes, that would imply that you would have to really read the article to participate and to answer the question.
You guys can read can't you?
(And if you can, than thank a teacher :-))
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 10, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
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Dean is definitely on a roll today.
Anyway, after the Supreme Court decision last spring that corporations have unlimited rights to buy the media, is it any wonder that there'd be a proliferation of skywriting? Maybe some of them need to work on their spelling, but it's all advertising. That's the real poison that's being conveyed - not fantasy chemicals.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 10, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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You're always telling people what to read, so here's something YOU should read.
Voodoo Science
Scientific error, says Robert Park, "has a way of evolving ... from self-delusion to fraud. I use the term voodoo science to cover them all: pathological science, junk science, pseudoscience, and fraudulent science." In pathological science, scientists fool themselves. Junk science refers to scientists who use their expertise to befuddle and mislead others (usually juries or lawmakers). Pseudoscience has the trappings of science without any evidence. Fraudulent science is, well, fraud--old-fashioned lying.
Park is well-acquainted with voodoo science in all its forms. Since 1982, he has headed the Washington, D.C., office of the American Physical Society, and he has carried the flag for scientific rationality through cold fusion, homeopathy, "Star Wars," quantum healing, and sundry attempts to repeal the laws of thermodynamics. Park shows why a "disproportionate share of the science seen by the public is flawed" (because shaky science is more likely to skip past peer review and head straight for the media), and he gives a good tour of recent highlights in Voodoo. He has a rare ability to poke holes compassionately, without excoriating those taken in by their fondest wishes. Park is less forgiving of scientists (especially Edward Teller) when he thinks they've fallen down on the job, a job that should include helping the public separate the scientific wheat from the voodoo chaff
http://www.amazon.com/Voodoo-Science-Road-Foolishness-Fraud/dp/0195135156
pathological science, wherein genuine scientists deceive themselves
junk science, speculative theorizing which bamboozles rather than enlightens
pseudoscience proper, work falsely claiming to have a scientific basis, which may be dependent on supernatural explanations
fraudulent science, exploiting bad science for the purposes of fraud
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 10, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
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As today is 10/10/10, in both the international and the US denotation, I was just wondering if that had any special significance to our alien friends? Shouldn't they be writing us a message in the sky today, or something of the sort? It can't just be coincidence that we're talking about them on a day of such obviously cosmic portent.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 10, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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Klimmer, Klimmer, Klimmer,
You have a lot of theories excuse me conspiracies’: The ark, 9/11, solving energy problems and now this new one just to name a few.
Sorry to say but your extremism is going to get you into problems. Your thoughts are no different than the people we are trying to destroy: radical Islamic extremists, yours is in your faith and ideas: no difference.
Turn on any Christian station and they breed the same thoughts. Antigovernment, hate, kill or actually beat up gays, bomb the abortion clinics, kill the doctors who perform them [took a long time, 20 years for the FBI to finally accept that they should be included on the terrorist list, they used to look the other way back in the 80’s], add all conspiracies and “Yes! The world coming to an end, so get ready”. Oh! By the way send in some money to PO Box XXXXX.
Maybe if I get the time will tell you about the story about Billy Graham and his love of Muslims: true story but off the subject.
You talk about doing your homework: I will send software program link [free] that would help you come to conclusions. Problem you are set in your mind and not open to other thinking. Would help you see an issue from alternative perspectives, prods you to look for additional evidence you had not realized was relevant, helps you identify and question assumptions, and generally stimulates new ideas about the issue at hand.
I have look at or gone to your links and laugh. Half to three quarters of your sources are questionable. Just because someone has a PHD or Doctor to his title does not make him credible. There are hundreds to thousands that have no clue to what they are discussing and they got a degree for it.
I am sure since your belief is that the bible [which one?] is the true word of god and being that it is the word of god everything is correct, written correctly and is the truth. What happens if one word or one sentence in it is incorrect does this make the bible incorrect; then the argument would be everything in the Bible is wrong? So now there is no truth. I'm sure you hear and agree or argue this often with your non-believers.
I wonder why when you type the word god it does not automatically put the cap in [G] and go to God… You type in bible and it also does not type in with a cap, what about muslim or jewish it’s the same but you type in Christian and it does it for you. Hmmmmm, must be a conspiracy.
Conspiracies work the same way but not necessarily. Good example is on 9/11. If you believe the conspiracy then you have to believe everything and everyone who has contributed to its conclusion including Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who recently on his last visit to the UN said that the US was involved in bringing down the towers. He is an expert right.
So let's see their must be about a least two/three dozen different theories/conspiracies involved with 9/11. So just like your Bible all the conspiracies with 9/11 have to be true. So now we have the truth or do we.
Anyway if you are interested I will pass it on. It will take some time, reading the tutorial is mandatory but if have the patience might help.
If not, other suggestion is to become a Tea Party candidate; you would fit in real good.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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I'll make this point again, again since some of you are reading comprehension challenged:
Let's talk about how this directly effects climbers and skiers on Mt. Shasta. What are the effects? Perhaps it is just the Canary in the Coal mine?
By-the-way, when I climbed Mt. Shasta and BC skied down the mountain with a good friend, we didn't have to worry about this SAG program. This was before the program was apparently occuring.
Now the levels of Aluminum and Barium Oxides in the snow and in the freshwater supplies throughout the region and on the mountain are very, very high, beyond safe levels for drinking or ingesting aluminum.
So what are you going to do now? Carry your climbing pack full of potable water up the mountain?
Like I said, you might want to pay attention and get over your childish attacks.
Awaken!
(once again I hope I didn't offend you with that last word)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying-part-ii.html
Yes, that would imply that you would have to really read the article to participate and to answer the question.
You guys can read can't you?
(And if you can, than thank a teacher :-))
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 10, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
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Wake up, Klimmer!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 10, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
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Now the levels of Aluminum and Barium Oxides in the snow and in the freshwater supplies throughout the region and on the mountain [Mt. Shasta] are very, very high, beyond safe levels for drinking or ingesting aluminum. Source, please. The Mt. Shasta area is the source of drinking and irrigation water for much of northern California, and undoubtedly is regularly and scientifically tested. Please cite a reputable scientific source for your claim.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 10, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
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Fear:
F-False
E-Evidence
A-Appearing
R-Real
You know I never thought of it in that way but yeah NOW I know its Disney doing the CTs.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Oct 10, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
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I don't know about chemtrails but I just clicked on the link to wikipedia about chemtrails and it pointed to one source, FAS.ORG which is the Federation of Associated Scientists. This link is a research paper presented to the US Airforce by scientists and officers about controlling the weather by 2025 for military dominance. Declassified and cleared for public release.
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm
So in 14 years they've come a long way on weather "modification" experiments.
I sure hope they can make it sunny and 75 every day in the valley and tons of fresh powder every day at Kirkwood ski resort.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 10, 2010 - 06:47pm PT
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So it's all based on a guest opinion written by five citizens in a local newspaper, the Mount Shasta News, in turn based on a few dozen water samples taken by non-scientists? Non-scientists who appear to have been those who claimed that metal levels in the water were high? Boy, that sure seems reliable!
http://www.mtshastanews.com/opinions/x1950206316/Citizens-seeking-answers-to-aluminum-contamination-concerns
Sorry, but local, state and possibly federal agencies have regular scientific sampling and analysis programs for public water sources, likely with records going back years. What do those records say? Probably even somewhere on the inturdnet.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Oct 10, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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Tom, saw Linda speak in vancouver a few years ago and have closely followed her @ earthfiles.com ever since
no disinformation originates from Linda Moulton Howe
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Oct 10, 2010 - 09:14pm PT
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Klimmer = Nut pedaling psuedoscience
Ed Teller = Rat bastard pedalling psuedoscience
Watch out Klimmer, it's a slippery slope you are on. You sound ready to go over the edge. Remember, it's reality you are slipping away from.
Don't do it!!!!111!!!
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