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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:09pm PT
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Blue - I understand your desire to have a curricula that is more to your liking. I am the first to admit that I am unaware of exactly what the Fed Dept of Education does - I mean, it's huge. One thing that is clear and easy to find in even a cursory search is this:
/begin copy and paste
What Is Not Part of the Department of Education’s Role?
In creating the Department of Education, Congress specified that:
No provision of a program administered by the Secretary or by any other officer of the Department shall be construed to authorize the Secretary or any such officer to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system, over any accrediting agency or association, or over the selection or content of library resources, textbooks, or other instructional materials by any educational institution or school system, except to the extent authorized by law. (Section 103, Public Law 96-88)
Thus, the Department does not
* establish schools and colleges;
* develop curricula;
* set requirements for enrollment and graduation;
* determine state education standards; or
* develop or implement testing to measure whether states are meeting their education standards.*
These are responsibilities handled by the various states and districts as well as by public and private organizations of all kinds, not by the U.S. Department of Education.
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My reading of this, and please if anyone is an expert, correct me if I misinterpret, is that the Feds do not develop curricula. It sounds like these are state-level functions by a variety of agencies.
Blue, does this mean you wish that your state shut down it's dept of ed and related entities? Genuinely curious.
edit: my copy and paste from the Ed.gov site caused all these bolds. I didn't do them and don't intend them to represent anything I'm trying to emphasize.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:10pm PT
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My father was the Senior Research Engineer for Raychem Corp., the guys that invented polymers with 'memory' among other things. He didn't even have a Bach. Degree. He did take college math and science classes, as they were in those days. What he did have, and he passed it on to his children, was the ability to educate himself and a corresponding desire to learn. If a person has these qualities, it doesn't matter how bad the educational system is for them, they will seek the information that they desire. It is even easier these days with the access to computers, I just wish my father could have lived to see the internet. He would have been both amazed and saddened.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:29pm PT
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Crimpie, do you really want FED gov't to dictate curriculum???
Or should they be FORBIDDEN by law to do so? Should it be up to States to determine their curriculum?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
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You ask, and I failed to quote properly: Crimpie, do you really want FED gov't to dictate curriculum???
I'm not stating what I prefer because I know far too little about it all to make an informed decision right now.
My post above indicates that that the Feds ARE prohibited by law to dictate curriculum. It states that states do it for themselves.
So my question was given that the Feds DO NOT dictate curricula, and are prohibited from doing so now and always have been, is it really the state level agencies (public and private) that you want shut down? At least California's since I assume those are the policies you are most familiar with.
Sorry if I wasn't clear initially.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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Where did "no child left behind" come from ?
Or "race to the top" ?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:41pm PT
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you want ignorant, i show you ignorant,
look where ignorant people camp for the face lift
red areas indicate where 10,000 people or more have died from rock fall>
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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is it noisy at lower pines?
have you ever heard someone "doing it" out doors?
have you ever seen a grown man naked?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Thanks, Crowley.
You can come out of the corner and take of the Dunce Cap now.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
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I thought "no child left behind" came from Michael Jackson.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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Crimpie said;
My post above indicates that that the Feds ARE prohibited by law to dictate curriculum. It states that states do it for themselves.
So my question was given that the Feds DO NOT dictate curricula, and are prohibited from doing so now and always have been, is it really the state level agencies (public and private) that you want shut down? At least California's since I assume those are the policies you are most familiar with.
Not for long, Crimpie-gal....And you gals wonder why I hate the U.N. as I do (and their friends in our communist gov't).
Leave the kids alone!!!!!
I'll have to find links to show you what I mean.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
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Thanks Blue. I look forward to your stuff.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 12, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
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Duh??????
hee hee hee. . .
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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Bleuy needs a teleprompter.
No I don't. Unlike our bullshitter-in -Chief, I back up my sh#t with reality.
Stay tuned, Crimpie....I gotta find your stuff.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 12, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
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Kinda like old folks homes.
Where the old guys sit around arguing as to which of them is getting more girls.
The dialog stays the same as it was when they were 18.
It just gets funnier and funnier.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 12, 2010 - 07:08pm PT
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Should anyone, let alone any American, go through life believing in largely imaginary enemies, greedy, unwilling to learn, and easily manipulated?
The US certainly has its issues, one of which is improving its education system. None of the threats regularly harped on on SuperTopo would even make the top ten list of any informed person, in terms of public policy. The real issues are things like sustainable economic policies, at both personal and governmental levels; weapons of mass destruction in the wrong hands (Iran, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan - take your pick); global warming; global overpopulation; public infrastructure; international cooperation; public education, in both the broad and focused senses; the environment and sustainability; and maintaining liberal democratic institutions.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Sep 12, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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yeah, less brain cells is the answer,
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2010 - 08:08pm PT
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Bluering will identify with this one, he has stated that he is a "birther".
And he has called me a "devil" and a "Communist".
One thing I do give Blue, he is not afraid to say how he really feels!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 12, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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edit-Fatty, ever do Stand-up?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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To answer Philo's original question:
Because ignorance in America is subsidised and rewarded. And brilliance ( if it makes any money ) is punished.
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Jeremy Handren
climber
NV
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Sep 12, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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you might want to add Energy Policy to your list MH.
Fattrad says Bluering is right 85% of the time, but on the other hand Fattrad is wrong 87% of the time.....so how often is Bluering right?
I've already had a glass of wine tonight so I can't be expected to do the calculation.
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