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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 09:02pm PT
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OTE, not yet. It has just started last year. SHould be give up hope now because it is 'ineffective' as of yet? Lets go back to doing nothing? Let's go back to shooting bean-bags at drug smugglers?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Mar 16, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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Dunno, but every other escalation in the war on drugs has resulted in more violence and more drugs. If it's not working why waste money on it?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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glanton, I think I know who you are, and frankly, you're a f*#king pussy for changing your avatar. Really weak, dude.
And you always come off as anti-pussy in the past...lame. Keep hiding.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 09:55pm PT
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Dunno, but every other escalation in the war on drugs has resulted in more violence and more drugs. If it's not working why waste money on it?
Silly arguement.
#1 - There is more violence because LEO is pursuing these rats in mexico and on ther border, and even within our borders. Specifically coke.
#2 - Waste money on it? How much money do we waste on rehabing these losers to no avail?
Stop the flow. Make it more expensive. People stop doing it.
(then we deal with the war on alcohol as a result...hehe, sad but true).
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Mar 16, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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Stop/slow the flow, increase demand and increase profits- just makes for more sophisticated trafficing and motivation to control lucrative routes. How does that solve the problem?
It's all just an unpleasant and violent version of Econ 101.
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Not to nit-pick you bluey, but near your op, you said something about the narcos having .50s with mile accuracy and I just had to say, the Barrett M-82 (which is most likely what they have of the Barrett family) is a 2 MOA weapon. So, at a mile, we're talking about a 32 inch group with match ammo and no wind. And allowing the barrel to fully cool before taking a follow up shot, which is unlikely. Good enough accuracy to hit an engine block of a gigantic truck, but not anti personnel at that range.
Carry on.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Mexico, unlike the US, has strong gun laws. These laws have effectively kept guns out of law abiding citizens hands and the criminals just ignore them. A couple years back I had read an interview with the assistant deputy director of the FBI answering the question: (I'm paraphrasing here) "why do we still have a drug problem after so many of the FBI's (and other government)resources had been committed to the war on drugs". The answer shocked me. "Because about half of our drug investigations end up showing that the CIA is involved." WOW~! I'd heard previously from various people that the CIA was the largest illegal drug dealer in the country, but until that time had not believed a word of it. The CIA has been alleged to be involved in smuggling large scale amounts of drugs, and with the drug money the drug runners in Mexico buy firearms and grenades.
Then the crooked Mexican police sell weapons to drug lords and other crooks to make a few extra bucks and to cap off the disaster the United States ATF agency has been illegally trying to get as many US guns as possible down there coupled with repeated newspaper articles they are instigating about this so as to blame honest US gun owners as being part of the problem and thus lead to the US finally getting Mexico style gun control up here.
Google "Operation gunrunner" for the tip of the iceberg. That we are paying and allowing our government agencies to continue to break all these laws anytime they wish for what ever reason they want is a national disgrace.
There isn't a damn thing any of us can do, it's big money and too far entrenched. Hanging on your own guns and living an honest life is the best you can hope for.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2011 - 02:46pm PT
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Well said, couchmaster, but I think there something we can do. Keep talking about it until we get a politician with the balls to tackle the issue honestly.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 17, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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Us to surf Baja.
Nada anymore.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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Coz, sure the tourist areas are largely ok but the fact you enjoyed two weeks
trouble-free is no more illustrative than whatever CNN puts up. Vera Cruz
is a veritable war zone, Acapulco has seen many a major gun battle, and
the kidnapping situation spirals out of control.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 17, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Actually I heard "word on the street" in Mexico is;
Leave coz the fuk alone as he's got too many navy seal friends ......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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HaHaHa! Yeah, I doubt that Coz looks an easy mark.
Interestingly the Mexican Tourist Board just the other day noted that
2011 was a record year! Good for them. Too bad that doesn't mean the same
for the average Mexican. Plenty have been caught in the crossfire and, as I
said, the kidnapping is really getting bad even if you only appear middle-class.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 17, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
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I heard a special on NPR a month or so ago calling it a narco insurgency..
leagalize weed in the USA and that will hit them herd. Won't cure the problem but it would be a big hit for the narcos.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
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Scott, you're right about the south being much less violent. Most of the violence over the past 2 years has been focused on the northern areas just south of us.
Us legalizing weed will not really change the problem either. Why do you think the cartels are growing Dutch high-quality strains on our lands?
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Feb 17, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
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Why do you think the cartels are growing Dutch high-quality strains on our lands?
Because it's illegal?
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