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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
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Reilly,
Yea, but there have been high-rise steel buildings engulfed in flames, where the entire structure burned for an incredibly long amount of time, and yet the steel frame still stood. Google is your friend.
Steel high-rise buildings, they do not fall/collapse due to fire. The jet fuel burned off very quickly. Yet for the first time in history 3 buildings miraculously all do, and all on the same day! (Wow, miracles do happen and the laws of physics do get suspended, but only when the powers that be want them to. Truly incredible.)
What are the odds of that? Tower 7 wasn't even hit. Even the original impact holes soon after had people standing in the massive holes looking out from them. (Very sad to know that soon after that, the towers would come down.)
Why do we have to keep going over the same stuff round and round? Purposeful amnesia?
Port,
We would all like to know.
We can easily invalidate the OCT of the US Government. That is not hard to do. Easy in fact.
But we can not answer the questions you ask. We would like to.
That is why we have to . . .
And this time do it for real. No white-wash as done by the official "9-11 Commission Report."
The 9-11 Commission Report is pure . . .
100% USDA Grade Bovine Dung.
And many of the original Commission officers now agree. It was compromised.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
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the american indian movement is not an unrelated issue. if you check out the murder of anna mae aquash, there are two possible explanations:
she was killed by the fbi
she was "snitchjacketed" by the fbi and killed by fellow aim people who suspected her of being an fbi mole.
the big trial of anna mae's accused killer is coming up. i've come to suspect the same sort of thing going on all over the 9/11 truth movement, where people behave strangely and scuttle things which begin to get traction. labeling us as flakes generally works a charm, but then there was the strange murder of michael zebuhr, a graduate student of engineering professor judy wood.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:25pm PT
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In that very brief and poor shot of building 7 it looks to me like there
was damage on the side nearest the Trade Center - jess sayin'.
And 20,000 gallons of jet fuel will burn for quite a while plus it will
bring everything else to flashover so everything burns at a much higher temp.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
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the jet fuel burned off very quickly
What is your source? How do you know this to be true?
none of you have provided a single bit of DIRECT evidence that explosives were used. And don't give me that nanothermite BS. Its been debunked. I want DIRECT EVIDENCE.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
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the big trial of anna mae's accused killer is coming up. i've come to suspect the same sort of thing going on all over the 9/11 truth movement, where people behave strangely and scuttle things which begin to get traction. labeling us as flakes generally works a charm, but then there was the strange murder of michael zebuhr, a graduate student of engineering professor judy wood.
And yet,millions of folks like you are still free to bend your brains and print whatever you like about the matter.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
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port, get off your sorry posterior and find out and then come back here and tell the rest of us.
you must have grown up with daddy answering everything for you. when it got past question number three from me, my dad always said, "it's that way in order to make little boys ask questions."
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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it'll come down to a fight, dirtbag, that's for sure. it'd be nice if it could just be a couple of us climbers trying to shove eachother into the campfire.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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I hope you don't lose any sleep over this.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
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You're the one making unsupported claims, not me. Its your job to support them.....so get off your "posterior."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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Port,
It hasn't been debunked.Thermate/thermite is there throughout the dust samples tested. That is physical empirical evidence. It is there.
Even the USGS admits to finding the FeO microspheres in the 9-11 dust from the WTC towers, that we now know are are a by-product of such explosive incendiaries.
The only thing that has truly been debunked over and over is the 9-11 OCT of the US Government.
You do realize that if you can invalidate any of the OCT, that is is all bunk right? The OCT is a house of cards. We have blown it down a long time ago.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:56pm PT
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And claims that the attacks on 11/9/01 were made by the US government, and not Saudi/Islamic terrorists, are certainly extraordinary. Delusional may also be applicable. The overwhelming body of evidence - hard, physical evidence, not manipulated, distorted or hearsay - supports the theory that it was indeed Islamic terrorists. If you want to claim something else, be prepared to provide consistent, objective, thorough evidence that not only refutes the widely-accepted 'theory', but that also proves your theory. Minor inconsistencies or gaps in the government theory don't prove anything.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
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Oh, Mighty, another naive ostrich!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:14pm PT
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MH,
why provide hard evidence when you can spout off fantasy on the internet? if these delusional conspiracy theorists start listening to you i see a whining windbag of a megathread in the future from them....oh wait, this one already is headed that way.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
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here's a little extraordinary proof for you, MH, about saudi terrorists.
on 9/11, as we all recall, air traffic shut down completely throughout the u.s.
on 9/12, the only planes flying were carrying members of the bin laden family back to saudi, so they wouldn't have to answer questions here. of course, obama was the black sheep of that crew. all the rest were quite closely connected to bush family oil interests and given this preferential treatment.
hey, i quit. there is a good explanation for everything, and i just didn't realize it. and, geez, i knew it all along.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:51pm PT
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Thats BS Tony. You suck down everything a truther site spews.
Looks like gullibility runs in your family since your brother shows cdroid vids to his students.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 30, 2010 - 02:16pm PT
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Before 911 few people had ever even heard of the cult-like splinter sect within Sunni Islam called Wahabbi, and indeed, previously they had been responsible for the deaths of more moslems than those of other faiths.
But they have been around for a couple of centuries, and even managed to kill a famous englishman, Gordon of Khartoum, 125 years ago when they sacked that city and killed thousands.
Those that are too busy to study history find it easier to invent boogey men of convenience,..
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
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i'll admit it's controversial, mono. globalresearch, a fairly unflaky canadian thinktank, has this:
“Even though American airspace had been shut down," Sky News reported, "the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.”
“Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden’s family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington,” CBS reported.
“Most of bin Laden’s relatives were attending high school and college,” the article continued. “Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15186
the snopes "debunkerama" site agrees with you, citing official sources (they always tell the truth so openly) and, of course, the 9/11 commission report, which ignores building 7 completely, and which keane and hamilton themselves have admitted was "a failure".
hey, i'm just pulling the fire alarm. i smell smoke. you decide if you want to go back to sleep.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
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Its been debunked, Jolly.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
And I hardly think a site called "rumor mill" is credible. Why do these conspiracy sites always look like a 3rd grader put them together?
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
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Port
Nothing has been debunked.
That site theorizes the same way the so called conspiracy sites do.
But it has been proven the govt. was involved.
The proof is in the US govt. documents themselves.
Obviously some of you people believe everything you read on the internet ....
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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Please post the proof.
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