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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Political correctness is alive and well and living right here.
Yes, and most emphatically from the right.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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What is an ideal sized quicklink?
Left one is 3/8", right ones are 5/16" stainless
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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I can't imagine someone who would insult America by sitting his ass on our flag. they should be sent to Arizona!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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I can't believe no one's done this yet.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
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My eyes!!!!!!! Gah!!!!!
Flag fight!!!!!
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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There was no cinco de mayo celebrations when I was young. We wore orange on St. Patty's day to honor our 25% Scottish ancestry. Bi-lingual was very confusing as all the neighborhoods had different languages - french, polish, spanish, italian, portugese sections of town.
Perhaps its time to have a cultural heritage day - I'll celebrate my roots, and you celebrate yours. We did that to Washington and Lincoln - giving them a united President's Day. Cultural heritage also seems to imply that you are part of this country....otherwise, get ready for a Bastille Day celebration!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Political correctness is alive and well and living right here.
Yes, and most emphatically from the right.
Really, Gary? I read a great deal a personal insults and moral approbrium sent bluering's way on this thread, solely because his opinion is not politically a la mode. Where is the same coming from the right?
John
Edit: According to my first cousin who's lived in Mexico City for 40 years, Cinco de Mayo is no big deal there. They treat it the way we would treat, say, VE Day (which, for those who don't know, is tomorrow).
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Abbie Hoffman, arrested for wearing an American flag shirt.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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he Flag Code - Respect for Flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.
Bunting of blue, white, and red always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkin or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Source: The American Legion
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Edit: Oops.. Looks like DMT writes faster then I do. haha.. Plus he is more succinct. But whats new about that? haha..
solely because his opinion is not politically a la mode
Come on John, "Solely" because his opinion is not politically a la mode? You reveal a bias in this statement. In his first post he calls anyone who supports the ACLU a fool.
Here is his first post.
know everybody knows this story.
Apparently the US flag takes a backseat on 'Cinco de Mayo'.
Makes me wanna say, "F*#k you Mexicans". Where is your loyalty? To the US or to Mexico? Why are you so offended by students wearing USA flags on that day?
Does Mexico as a country even celebrate that holiday? Isn't Sept the actual victory month?
Why is wearing a American flag NOT PROTECTED BY THE 1ST AMEND. BY THE SILLY_ASS ACLU???
Of course, all you fools who give money to the ACLU won't reply....
He starts the whole thread with insults and profanities and you expect others to behave better. How about a little equal treatment.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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Moosie, keep things in context. That post is rage regarding having to literally cover or hide an American flag because of an obscure Mexican holiday celebrated almost exclusively IN AMERICA.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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School administrators and teachers are closer to the nuances and polemics of the dispute. I'd suggest trusting their judgement in diluting the conflict. These are adolescents and this clash is likely more about social posturing and hierarchy games than misguided patriotism and ethnic loyalties.....
.....and maybe the incentive to get out of class for a day or two....or three.
We all know people of Mexican heritage who are the salt of the earth. We should remember the gentle are just as offended, as the pride frenzied,
when their icons are disrespected. An in-your-face flag display is meant to annoy...not bring context to an ethnic celebration.
Bluering, I like you and doubt you are hateful to Mexican Americans. Please don't let news reports of "high school games" make you reactive and
eclipse your better nature.
The room is teeming with anxious fingers primed to point and lips eager to accuse; "racist", "homophobe", "holocaust denier", "flat earther". Sometimes one must stand for their beliefs contrary to the hurled malice. But on this I think you're pre-empting the school's discretion about juvenile taunting issues and getting angry on behalf of troublemakers, not patriots.
.....not meaning to offend.... just dislike seeing you start whipping post threads with yourself as the casualty.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Hey, Heading off to the East Side Climbing this weekend. I would like to make a deal with you, I won't post a trip report on Your Hate discussion group, if you don't post on the climbing forum.
Peace Barry O
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Blue, I think you are projecting. I think you are the one who needs perspective. You go into a "rage" just because some high school principle sends some kids home in a misguided effort to keep the peace???? A rage???? Come on dude. And anyone who supports the ACLU is a "fool"??? I would say your perspective is out of sorts. It gets tiresome to constantly see the amount of invective hurled on this forum. The occasional outburst is one thing. But maybe you should think twice before you start threads like this. And yep, I don't like the invective hurled by so called liberals either. Even my own..
I actually mostly agree that the principle of the school may have made a mistake. But it is hard to agree with you when you start your argument by calling me a fool. And its hard to wade through all the junk to see some important points that were made on this thread.
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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survival: Arlington National Cemetery, [...] allow all those immigrants to sport their religion on their cross or headstone all year round. Star of David, Hindu, American Indian, Buddhist, even those pesky Islamic Crescents....
Shouldn't they only be allowed to sport christian stuff on their headstone?
What does religion have to do with this? There is freedom of religion in America. No one is debating this.
There is also freedom of speech. Sure there is some extreme speech that is limited for practical reasons, but when we start limiting the right to express our loyalty to America (the very entity that protects our rights), then we've veered into the absurd.
It's ironic that you mention Arlington because that site was chosen because the confederates claimed the land as theirs. The United States government chose the site as a symbol to demonstrate that it was, in fact, part of America and not another country.
There are many religions, races, creeds, whatever at Arlington. But there is only one country at Arlington. The very purpose of the military is to ensure that there is only one country.
But perhaps we should we take down all the American flags at Arlington on Cinco de Mayo? After all, they might offend someone.
I served in a tough outfit Dktem, did you?
Moderately tough (combat engineer, airborne). Not nearly as tough as yours, though.
But what does the toughness of one's military service have to do with the validity of their opinion? Do you really want to make the argument that people who served in the military have more rights than those who did not? My understanding was that we served to protect the rights of others.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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My understanding was that we served to protect the rights of others.
Bingo!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Actually, Dktem, they also chose it because it was Robert E. Lee's home. According to Ken Burns in "The Civil War" PBS series, Montgomery Meggs, the Quartermaster General of the U.S., lost a son in the war and personally blamed Lee, who was initially offered the Union command, but felt he owed a duty to "my country, Virginia." Meggs chose Arlington to make sure Lee couldn't return there to live.
John
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kbstuffnpuff
Sport climber
State of Confusion
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I just got high a minute ago.
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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John, you are correct.
I paraphrased a little to make the point that the Arlington site was chosen as an "in your face" gesture toward Lee and other Americans that ultimately chose loyalty to another country.
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