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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The question is why, when only one is admitted to?
Simple, they didn't want to pay overtime.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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Remember, substance and not weak minded knee-jerk attacks.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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Another thing to do is to look at every Ingress Room image of the Astronauts loading onto the Apollo Saturn V rockets for each of the missions Apollo 4 - Apollo 17 and identify them, and post them in the order according to the Apollo mission number.
Then carefully compare them to the Ingress Room images and video posted by RetiredAFB of Apollo 20. Do any of the Ingress Room images from any of the public known official Apollo missions match what was posted as Apollo 20?
If they do not, then that is evidence the images are not of Apollo 4 - Apollo 17, but of some "other" unidentified mission.
This would be more evidence in the Apollo 20 camp. Pretty hard to fake Ingress Room images and real video of said event. How does one go about faking something like that without a massive Hollywood budget?
From the youtube video compilation of RetiredAFB original videos by Ramistrip.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZWDpICa_U&feature=player_embedded
Ingress Room Image from Apollo 10 mission:
Ingress Room Image from Apoll 12 mission:
Ingress Room Images from the Apollo 20 mission. Do any other official NASA Apollo missions exactly match this Ingress Room look, the 3 technicians (one NASA and 2 from Rockwell International) and the 2 Astronauts loading? If not then this is indication that these images and video are not from any official Apollo mission. This would be more evidence in support of Apollo 20:
We also have 3 names:
Commander William Rutledge
Astronaut Leona Marietta Synder
Cosmonaut Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Leonov
We also have a Apollo 20 Mission Patch:
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Chief
climber
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Very interesting post.
Even more interesting responses.
With the advent of digital editing, still images, especially grainy ones from the moon can no longer stand alone as conclusive evidence of anything. Having said that, Klimmer's suggestion is no more outlandish than many shaky theories accepted by humans.
The world is flat.
Mary was impregnated by god and experienced an immaculate conception and virgin birth.
The devil made me do it.
The sinking of the Lusitania was unprovoked.
Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack.
NV patrol boats carried out torpedo attacks on the Maddux in the Tonkin.
Men in caves shut down US air defenses and brought down the Towers with hijacked airplanes.
Tower Seven.
The Iraqi's were building weapons of mass destruction.
Unregulated free market economies are good for us.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
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DS,
The fact that Apollo 17 is the only official night time Apollo launch is easily verified or debunked. I looked. Yes, Wikipedia sometimes gives out bad data but it can easily be cross-referenced and verified with other sources.
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Diesel_Smoke
Big Wall climber
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Well, if your source is as solid as the bible I'll believe you - Conspiracy!
What is your anticipated course of action? Have you considered limiting your audience, perhaps initially confined to ST for the preservation of your identity and life? These issues are dangerous, and proper protocols must exist to ensure your safety! I've seen the movie Conspiracy Theory and I'm well versed in paranormal activity and small weapons combat (primarily nunchaku and crossbow) . If you are needing a partner or confidant, here is my video application: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYSTWVeApI
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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nothing photographic, or video in nature can be considered evidence in the 21st century
you need a body and DNA test results
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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I'm pretty well read. I enjoy a good story. With fiction, be it movies or books, you have to suspend your disbelief.
But for many people, that which allows them to enjoy fiction, is also that which allows them to believe the lies of politicians, conspiracy theories, and religion.
When a narrative makes a claim to truth or factuality you need to suspend your belief.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2010 - 11:55pm PT
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bmacd,
Really? Wow, then you know nothing of the intelligence, remote sensing, and scientific world.
From video posted by RetiredAFB:
http://www.revver.com/video/797542/apollo-20-ebe-mona-lisa-tv-unscheduled-transmission/
I think the following image of the Astronaut/Cosmonaut is of Alexey Leonov, and not Cmd William Rutledge of the supposed Apollo 20 mission from within the LM on the surface of the Moon:
Here is an official image of Alexey Leonov near that period of time:
Notice the balding head, the long straight bridge nose, the mouth, and the deep facial lines on either side of the nose outlining the cheeks. I think it is Alexey. And in reduced gravity environments of 1.63m/s^2 acceleration due to the Moon's reduced gravity, compared to 9.8m/s^2 acceleration here on Earth, facial features will distort a little.
It is Alexey or they found a look-alike actor to fake this video.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 12:21am PT
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I will do a thorough facial analysis soon with ratios of both images on Alexey. The ratios of certain facial features of the actual known image of Alexey and the one from Apollo 20 on the surface of the Moon. My hypothesis is that facial ratios will be exactly the same. Identical.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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OK. Who is retiredAFB? Who are his colleagues? What is his background? Is he objective? What is his reputation? What is his agenda (everyone has one)? A large number of your theories are based in his videos. Have you applied the same criticism to him as you have NASA?
These hypotheses your've presented are outlandish. Any life form would need to travel maybe a million times the speed of light to move through the universe. And that technology is in the form of an Arc? like the one Noah built? Seems unlikely to me
I hope you can understand my skepticism. And Im not saying I cant be convinced. Its just what you provide as "evidence" is highly dubious.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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I will do a thorough facial analysis soon with ratios of both images on Alexey. The ratios of certain facial features of the actual known image of Alexey and the one from Apollo 20 on the surface of the Moon. My hypothesis is that facial ratios will be exactly the same. Identical.
Duuuuuude . . .
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 12:32am PT
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Proving something massive is there on the Moon is the easy part, if NASA cooperates, proving it's origin is another.
We don't have to prove that to begin with, although if Apollo 20 did indeed happen, then NASA has a major scoop on that info (of course).
Obviously, if something massive is there then it came from somewhere. Yes? I agree that that is hard to fathom. But reality is, regardless of our preconceived limited scientific understandings.
I've already stated my hypothesis regarding its origin.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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"Any life form would need to travel maybe a million times the speed of light to move through the universe."--Port
It would depend on how far away from Earth they started from, if you want to use the technology available to us today.
Your statement's exaggeration shows through as ignorance--not meaning to offend here, just pointing out the weakness in the sentence proffering...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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Wanda,
You do realize that facial features and their distances and these ratios are unique identifiers don't you?
Photogrammetry can be done on the human face and it works very well for identification purposes. It's empirical. It's reproduceable. It's science.
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LithiumMetalman
Trad climber
cesspool central
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This thread is still going?
Wow.
Rock on!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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They are not ready.
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LithiumMetalman
Trad climber
cesspool central
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“For it is a land of illusion, a place in the mind, a shimmering mirage of riches and mystery and death. These illusions have distorted its landscape and contorted its history.”
Richard E. Lingenfilter.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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When you have pictures of an actual space craft ( not blurry black and white photos or computer renditions) Ill believe. And I did watch the posted videos. They're hardly objective.
I think the real reason you all love this stuff is that it makes you feel smarter and more enlightened than the general public. You don't realize it but you've created your own little science fiction world in which you play a leading role as an investigator. It scares me. Seriously.
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