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Nick
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portland, Oregon
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The following brief excerpts are from a 1994 psychology today. http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/risk
In fact, as researchers are discovering, the psychology of risk involves far more than a simple "death wish." Studies now indicate that the inclination to take high risks may be hard-wired into the brain, intimately linked to arousal and pleasure mechanisms, and may offer such a thrill that it functions like an addiction. The tendency probably affects one in five people, mostly young males, and declines with age. It may ensure our survival, even spur our evolution as individuals and as a species. Risk taking probably bestowed a crucial evolutionary advantage, inciting the fighting and foraging of the hunter-gatherer.
Yet research has also revealed the darker side of risk taking. High-risk takers are easily bored and may suffer low job satisfaction. Their craving for stimulation can make them more likely to abuse drugs, gamble, commit crimes, and be promiscuous. As psychologist Salvadore Maddi, Ph.D., of the University of California-Davis warns, high-risk takers may "have a hard time deriving meaning and purpose from everyday life."
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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high-risk takers may "have a hard time deriving meaning and purpose from everyday life."
I think this is pretty key. Serious climbing puts you in so many mindblowing situations. The relationships you have with partners, the experiences are so far beyond normal everyday life and most jobs or relationships.
Yet it does not have a financial reward that allows most of us to live a reasonable life.
Climbing is life lived large with major sacrifice. Once you glimpse heaven it can be hard to come back to normal with much satisfaction.
Be well is my wish for all of you. Find amazement and joy in little things always around you.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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The one thing we can all do is talk about it, mental illness in this country is stigmatized and completely misunderstood. It is so unfortunate that most think of it as some sort of behavioral issue or weakness which is akin to thinking heart disease is a character flaw. ++
I wish science knew more about the brain to help those that suffer..
There are several taco folks that i know struggle with depression...I hope they realize there are many here and in their lives that care...
Please seek help, talk with friends , family,a counselor, clergy ...someone....
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edit: Werner, ... both brain and operator.
edit " The problem, I think, is that for those who have forms of depression, we can understand the fact that people do care, but there is some sort of a block within that makes one unable to viscerally feel it.".....
Happi, mostly, I think you are right..But, I'm still putting the words up in print.. with hope...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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The problem, I think, is that for those who have forms of depression, we can understand the fact that people do care, but there is some sort of a block within that makes one unable to viscerally feel it. I will admit that this is something I deal with and at times it sucks quite a bit(though I have never been diagnosed as having depression). I can feel FOR others, I can become emotional and sentimental over a cute little chipmunk munching on some nugget. But... to turn it around, I just have to "believe" that others feel the same for me. Fake it till you make it, they say, and that is helpful to a point. But only to a fleeting point.
So a person who isn't able to feel those sensations but knows they "must" exist gets a double whammy because of the guilt. It's sort of like when people say they think alcoholics should just be able to pull their heads out of rears and quite. In theory...sure. But the reality is very different.
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WBraun
climber
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I wish science knew more about the brain to help those that suffer..
It's not in the brain.
It's the operator of the brain.
The brain is not the operator.
This why science has failed so bad.
They have no clue who operator is.
The gears and motor of a machine is never the operator ......
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John M
climber
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He isn't joking and I agree with him on this point. That is speaking as someone who has dealt with the energies of suicide and depression for most of this lifetime. Disagree with him if you want, but don't tell him to shut up.
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WBraun
climber
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Why would I need to joke about suicide Andrzej?
It's not a joking subject matter ever.
Several good friends have succumbed to this terrible action .......
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John M
climber
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rsin, Werner believes in reincarnation. Try to appreciate what that can mean. Even if you don't believe in it.
and no.. I'm not talking about that you think it means he is crazy or a fool.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Try to appreciate what that can mean.
I do worry about what's next, so I'm hanging around here for as long as possible.
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John M
climber
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Sure rsin, But if you believe in reincarnation, then you start to see that there are few truly innocent children on this planet. So what part did your previous life play in the things that are done "to" you in this lifetime. That becomes a question.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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I know you asked rSin, but I don't see reincarnation as taking along a lot of baggage on the next trip. We go but we don't know and no old toys come along. We don't know much. We don't know if we are on the other side of the universe from were we started or anything. In contrast to this, it's easy to see how we soak up what's around us when we land.
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John M
climber
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edit: looks like moosedrool deleted his posts
then you are rejecting those mental disorders that originate in the brain.
Its involves a philosophy Moose. some who believe in reincarnation and karma believe that physical trauma is part of ones karma. Meaning that ones actions and beliefs help create ones physical existence and experience. In the case of a brain injury, then that is not only the karma of the person receiving the injury, but can also be the interplay of the karma of those who have to take care of that person.
that is one reason why forgiveness can be so important. If you don't forgive someone, then you can be tied to them karmically and have to act out that karma again and again in following lifetimes until you learn what needs to be learned.
this is a very simplistic explanation. So please don't think that this is all that there is to it. the cycles of karma are very complex. Sometimes a person takes on a karma to help the world or to help someone in the world. There are many variables.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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From one of the OPs comments;
My inner view was that we have a more reckless view on life with a bit of "what have I got to lose?" kind of mentality.
For me, the big climbs in my life were about what I have to gain. I have come out richer in spirit I'm sure. Or rather, I know! If one has much to gain, I do not think it means they had nothing to lose.
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WBraun
climber
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Andrzej
As you can see John M (moosie) does a very nice job of trying to explain to a layman the very difficult subject matter of Karmic reactions.
As John also says;
"This is a very simplistic explanation.
So please don't think that this is all that there is to it."
John always does an admirable job of trying to explain things to people on whatever subject he is involved with.
Moosie also has good experience with the subject matter pertaining to this very thread.
And ..... at no time do we resort this subject of suicide as a joking matter ever ......
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John M
climber
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thanks Werner. That is a high complement coming from you.
The concept of karma is very confusing. What part of my life is karma and what part is my doing?
every part of your life is karma. some karma is your own, and some karma is the worlds. the fact that you have to work for your food is mostly world karma. How hard you have to work is often personal karma. I say "often" because there are ways to dodge karma. Not forever, but certainly for a very long time. Some folks have dodged their karma for lifetimes. They appear to not have to work very hard. But in the end, karma wins. There is no way to fully avoid it. Karma dodging is an act of evil because it is an attempt to have someone else take on your karma. On the other end of the scale are Bohdisattvas. These are people with no personal karma who take on world karma to help the world. There are very few of these on this world. Most people have lots of personal karma.
It takes an expert to fully discern exactly which part of your life is your own karma, and which part is the worlds. The thing is, you treat them the same. You take responsibility, and then you do your best to rise above it. This is one of the things I like about rock climbers. Rock climbing often teaches one the need to take personal responsibility, so there is often a high level of personal responsibility among rock climbers. It is a thing of beauty.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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HFC, as if you have any credibility on anything.... :-)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nahh.. you worry to much HFCS, there are more important things in most areas of life than being scientifically correct.
How we all care about the pains that causes some to chose an early end.. well that is important. That care leads to good science where needed when needed.
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jstan
climber
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Maybe just perform an audit to see who it is has an AR15.
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John M
climber
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Edit: I edited out some posts per an agreement with HFCS, who edited out his post. So some things might not make sense. He and I exchanged words, which hurt the intent of this thread. I hope that you can forgive me.
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WBraun
climber
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Here's classic karma.
Absolutely nothing woo woo about it all.
Right up your alley Fruity.
LOL
For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction
Newton's third law
Classic Karma .......
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