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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:05pm PT
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"What's even more aggravating and pathetic was the sneaky way this was included in the legislative process."
This is truth. Whether or not the law has merit, this is the BS about politics that makes me want to pull out my hair.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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Yeah, who cares?
If I don't like a law....simple, I just break it.
Eff the laws I don't approve of.
I climb rocks. I like rocks.
Let's talk rocks, GDavis.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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I was just ribbing you, Scott, but, really, if you let that, slip by like that, do i want you to be armed like that if you're my next door neighbor? That puts me at greater risk. You drop that thing that knocks down telephone poles and where does that leave me? It's great that having it under your bed, makes you sleep better. But it ain't gonna save you, ever. i know you know that.
Any flaw in my logic?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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We aren't Canadians. I grew up in Chicago, all kinds of gun deaths. I've lived a lot in Wyoming, where people kinda 'get' guns. Kinda like Canada.
If you didn't grow up with, and learn to respect, gun culture, ownership just makes you, and all around you, that much more vulnerable.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful BC
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
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Canada is currently in the process of making it easier again to own and acquire shotguns and rifles by dropping them from the national gun registry
December 2009:
"Canadians don't need another report to know that the long-gun registry is very efficient at harassing law-abiding farmers and outdoors enthusiasts, while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars," Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan's office said in a release Wednesday.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/11/04/gun-registry-vote004.html#ixzz0gK41FSRO
I'd own a couple remingtons if I didn't live in the city
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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It's ("My kind of town") okay for the guns, it's just not that great for the people....
-I'm agreeing with you, BTW-
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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You can practice civil disobedience by going unarmed to National Parks!
There doesn't seem to be much benefit of argueing guns with those who don't like em and won't learn that they can be safe. To each their own.
I spend a fair bit of time hiking in parks that have people that are armed, and sometimes I'm one of them. It just isn't a big deal. Just because an area now allows people to carry guns doesn't mean there are going to be shootouts. We have laws to protect against that, and those folks that are going to shoot things up, didn't obey the laws when they weren't allowed to carry guns into parks.
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aguacaliente
climber
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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Amusingly, yesterday, Feb 21, I was in the backcountry permit office at the Grand Canyon after getting back from a hike, and a park officer (don't recall if he was a ranger or some kind of security guard) was affixing a sticker to the front door that said "Firearms not allowed inside" or words to that effect.
So you can pack to the park, but apparently they forgot to include verbiage in the law that says you can pack inside _buildings_ in the parks? Check your weapons at the door.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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I live in South Dakota but thankfully only 10 miles from Wyoming and work at state college. Last year a group of students tried to get legal carry in all state schools. mind you SD is a seriouly red state, but you would not believe the uproar it caused. It did not pass, but if National Parks why not colleges, if colleges why not high schools, if high schools why not grade schools, if grade schools why not daycares. Oh sh*t I digress. But the point is the same people that run the schools who are gennerally pretty conservative around here didn't think having kids with guns that have raging hormones and partying like rock stars would be a good idea when they made decisions that might negatively affect their education and therefore the rest of their life. Hell why not let people take guns into the legislature or white house.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 23, 2010 - 01:01am PT
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I could put a gun to good use in the legislature.
once, anyway.
Bastards all, they.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 23, 2010 - 02:17am PT
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Carry bear spray and don't attract them
That's fine for black bears but griz and polar bears don't
give a flyin' fuk about your little bear canister and can of
air freshener. They want you!
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apogee
climber
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Feb 23, 2010 - 02:19am PT
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"But what does this have to do with National Parks?"
This has nothing to do with National Parks. It's all about the gun nutz continuing their whacko agenda under any pretext possible. No matter how ridiculous the issue, if a gun is involved, their first response will always be to preserve gun access to anyone, anywhere, anytime. Anything less would be Un-Uhmerri-kuhn.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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Maybe it's the fluoride but conservatives just seem whacky lately. Just watched Glen Becks's recent speech. Whoa! What is he smoking?
The Idea that you need a lethal weapon in Yosemite National Park to protect yourself from "perps" is just insane. It would be much more practical for every one to wear a life vest at all times in the park since you are much more likely to die in a drowning accident.
You're also more likely ot die from a lightening strike than the violent act of a "perp".
Get a grip on reality!
Lots of folks with guns means an increase in accidents and misuse, pure and simple.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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I think we should ban climbing in National parks, because too many people get hurt climbing.
No difference in the rational. It's curious how it's easy to infringe on others rights, but when someone wants to take away something from you, it becomes an issue.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:36pm PT
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Yosemite Valley - (AP) Gunfight erupts on El Capitan.
Members of the Yosemite SWAT sniper ends standoff on granite monolith after ..........
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 23, 2010 - 12:45pm PT
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Paul Roehl, Glen Beck is not rational. He is not a conservative, he is a right wing extremist and self appointed spokeshole. There are a lot of sensible conservative Americans out there who don't get Palin, Limbaugh, Beck etc., so please paint with a smaller brush.
their first response will always be to preserve gun access to anyone, anywhere, anytime.
A typically rediculous statement. I do not know a single gun owner who believes that, but then I don't hang with gangsters and thugs who have no respect for the law anyway.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 23, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
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Paul Roehl wrote:
Maybe it's the fluoride but conservatives just seem whacky lately. Just watched Glen Becks's recent speech. Whoa! What is he smoking?
The Idea that you need a lethal weapon in Yosemite National Park to protect yourself from "perps" is just insane. It would be much more practical for every one to wear a life vest at all times in the park since you are much more likely to die in a drowning accident.
You're also more likely ot die from a lightening strike than the violent act of a "perp".
Get a grip on reality!
Lots of folks with guns means an increase in accidents and misuse, pure and simple.
I don't know about statistics for being within any particular park (and I'm sure it varies from park to park), but speaking generally, you are MUCH more likely to die by homicide than by either drowning or lightning (for lightning, we're talking orders of magnitude).
Don't believe me? Great thing about the Internet is it's pretty easy to check facts. http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
Lots of liberals like to believe that things like assaults/homicides are rare (until it happens to them or someone they know). Unfortunately, they're not, never have been, probably never will be (homicide rates in primitive societies are off-the-charts high). If you don't care about protecting yourself, that's fine, but don't try to inflict your infantile views on those of who are willing to take some personal responsibility
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 23, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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I don't know about statistics for being within any particular park (and I'm sure it varies from park to park), but speaking generally, you are MUCH more likely to die by homicide than by either drowning or lightning (for lightning, we're talking orders of magnitude).
Don't believe me? Great thing about the Internet is it's pretty easy to check facts. [link]
From the link:
FIVE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH, USA, AGES 15-24, 1998
NUMBERS
(1) Accidents 51.8% 12,752
(2) Homicide 21.3% 5,233
Yes, lightning and drowning are a small subset of all accidents, overall. But these types of accidents probably occur much more often in National Parks than outside the parks. And homicides likely occur much less often in National Parks than outside the park.
So your data is inconclusive at best. And probably wrong in the context of National Parks.
But back to my previous question: Why the fu#k can't some people make an argument without using the generalized term "liberal" like it's a dirty word?
Does Rush Limbaugh really have that many people so brainwashed?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 23, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
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What about "people killed by idiots behind the wheel" dktm?
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