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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 20, 2010 - 08:59am PT
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I've been eating a lot of chocolate...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 20, 2010 - 10:20am PT
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high end chocolate shop? on 4/20?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Apr 20, 2010 - 11:54am PT
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Going on about a month now. First time I've stopped drinking for more than a week in 17 years, been a regular, daily drinker for about 20 years. Wicked sugar cravings still, after a month, mostly at night. But I definitely feel better.
Now I'm getting on a plane this afternoon to go back east for a funeral. There will be more liquor around that I can imagine and a huge wake. Not looking forward to this "test".
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Apr 20, 2010 - 11:57am PT
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Good luck Elcap. That situation does sound to be quite the test (on many levels). Hang tough!
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Apr 20, 2010 - 12:02pm PT
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Stay strong, Elcap. Once everyone else gets good and liquored up, and you can observe with a clear mind, you will find new inspiration and reasons to not drink.
Make sure you have someone you can call if you need support.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Apr 20, 2010 - 12:11pm PT
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Go to a meeting in the morning. There are meetings everywhere, and plenty at 7 or 7:30. Like Edge said, have a number you can call. Remember the "insanity of that first drink." Then hand it over.
JL
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Tattooed 1
Trad climber
Sebastopol, Ca
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Apr 20, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
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My dad had a 8 to 12 beer a day habit for most of my life. I'm 45 he is 63. He quit last year when he had a massive heart attack. Low potassium bought on by his alcohol abuse played a large part in that. At first the rest of the family quit drinking around him at all just to remove that temptation. Now a year later he says he doesn't feel the need for a drink. "Sure it would be nice but I don't need it". The heart attack sucked but it probably saved his life.
Tim
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Apr 20, 2010 - 02:10pm PT
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Alcohol can kill you spiritually, physically and mentally. But, like Largo said "its a symptom" However quiting alcohol and drugs was the hardest thing I have ever done. No actually it was staying quit.
I have an addictive personality, I am an escape artist. I need help on a daily basis and I get that help by relying on a higher power. I grounded my self in AA for the first several years. I needed to know that other people just like me were out there. Battling with the same emotions and loss.
Only another alcoholic/addict can truly know whats going on for another addict/alcoholic. We understand. Unless you've been there you don't know. There is a ton of support, but my ego gets in the way of my path. My brain tells me all kinds of nonsense.
The 12 steps were adopted from a myriad of principles designed to teach you to live with acceptance, trust in a higher power and to feel good about your self through helping others. Hankster I don't know about the first two but I know that by reaching out you have helped countless others.
For a community where drinking is so prevalent; sobriety is an obvious topic. I applaud your courage to share this with us and to face your demons daily. Don't give up, there is nothing that drink can make better.
H
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 20, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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Ya got to have a back up plan for those times that are going to be tempting. Super hard day at wok or super crazy climbing day it's ok to treat yourself to an ice cream. But even then you may need to pound a gatorade or even just a bunch of water when you hit the parking lot to get you through that time when your friends are digging into the beers..
For the first year or so It was pretty hard. Hollidays, etc. were tough. 4 years in and its pretty easy. I play music in bars with people drinking all arround me and I am totally ok 99% of the time. Now and then the rat askes to be fed and you just have to be strong.....
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 20, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
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This may have been pointed out already. Key treatment for recovering alcoholics is to provide fave sweets. The candy replaces the sugar source from the alcohol and helps stem the craving. One thing about taking a break that I share with friends; why be forced to have to quit doing something you really enjoy? Don't let it become such a problem that you would consider quitting. What a bummer that is. Large doses of chocolate for example.
Other than that, it's like breaking any other habit. Just do it! God bless!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 20, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
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Elcapyo, think of the climbs you want to do and reflect how you said you feel
better.
Rocky Road is good, too!
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Michelle
Social climber
The sucking black hole that is Tuolumne County
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Apr 21, 2010 - 01:28am PT
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oh god I hate this struggle. early sobriety blows. its been 24 hours on this road again. 4-20 is a good birthday though. great meeting tonite too!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Apr 21, 2010 - 07:42am PT
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mimi - Not sure if you were talking about alcohol or sweets in your last post but, generally, being "forced" to quit drinking doesn't work.
What force?
 Being put in prison? There's a whole underground railroad of suppliers - you can get anything you want.
Getting a prescription of Antabuse? I've listened to plenty of people who drank throughout when on that. Felt like crap, but drank nonetheless.
Threats of leaving/actual leaving from the loves of people's lives, killing another person in a drunken blackout, lost jobs, homelessness, a myriad of lows most people could never imagine dropping to - these things simply do not act as forces that make a person quit.
Some people want, desperately, to quit. And yet, they can't. It's not due to a lack of will-power. Addiction is funny that way. It's a real monster.
Congratulations, Michelle - Agreed, a good birthday!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Apr 21, 2010 - 10:20am PT
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I'm going to a meeting tonight. Just cuz
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Mimi
climber
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Apr 21, 2010 - 10:29am PT
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happie, by force, I mean pressure from family, friends, peers, a doctor, etc. Doing anything that can ruin your health so much that you are compelled to quit is pretty radical. Look at what climbing does to the body. LOL!
Moderation is the key but I guess that's the problem with some people, they can't moderate the activity.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Apr 21, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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Hank? Hello?
Where U Iz brother?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 21, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
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You can't force someone to be sober. They need to want to be sober. if you really want it you can do it!
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 21, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
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"You can't force someone to be sober."
Everyone eventually becomes forced to be sober.
In the end you are forced whether like it or not ......
There's no escape.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 21, 2010 - 06:44pm PT
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We have a relative who literaly drank himself to death.
You can't force sobriety on anyone, only when they choose to change will they be capable of changing. There is no 100% effective sobriety method, because many folks are forced into rehab and haven't bought into it. Thus when they leave they go right back to their bad habbits.
Hank, I hope you're doing well.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Apr 21, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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death is sobering, eh Werner?
i see that only as reckless forecasting, built upon wobbly cliches.
by pissing on the mystery and concluding it ahead of time, you slam shut the doors and windows of your horizon.
mine? they are open and both foul and pleasant breezes squeeze their way between my clinched will.
storms penetrate. as does warming sunshine.
through those openings i see more and more mystery. ever beyond. ever beckoning....
i've escaped.
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