Climate Change skeptics? [ot]

So Sketch, I'm failing to see the relevance of "Abstracts" in your graphic. Are you telling me that your source for the claims in that graphic basically did a word search of the free abstracts on a site similar to PubMed?

The mendacity in that graphic is outright screaming "look at me . . .

Mar 5, 2014 - 12:51am PT

Unless you are getting paid to provide misinformation and misdirect the discussion, it's pretty much a waste of your time to peruse this thread if you haven't already watched the two presentations posted above and referenced here again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34U0Pwz4_c#t=1032

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM1PXon31U

Really? We should look at 2 hours of youtube videos to get the information? I looked 12 minutes at the second one before I got bored.

Maybe it's safest to say something like "AGW is a theory that has some support and possibly some empirical corroboration, but there are still many unanswered questions and its premature to draw an firm conclusions."

Snopes is pretty much liberal BS.
Take a look at their entry re: infamous claim to the effect that "Al Gore said he invented the Internet," which Snopes categorically claims as "false."
As proof, Snopes cites the quote where Al used the verb "create" instead of "invent," and goes on a long discursive about the differences between "create" and "invent."
Whatever you think of Snopes' analysis (and it's bullshit to me--"create" and "invent" are nearly, if not completely, synonymous in the context of the quote), it sure isn't black-and-white that any reputable "fact checker" could simply label as true or false.

Al Gore had seen what happened with the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956, which his father introduced as a military bill. It was very powerful. Housing went up, suburban boom happened, everybody became mobile. Al was attuned to the power of networking much more than any of his elective colleagues. His initiatives led directly to the commercialization of the Internet. So he really does deserve credit.

Of Gore's involvement in the then-developing Internet while in Congress, Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that,

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high-speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1993. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

24 Jun 1986: Albert Gore introduced S 2594 Supercomputer Network Study Act of 1986

As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill") after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).

Indeed, Kleinrock would later credit both Gore and the Gore Bill as a critical moment in Internet history:

A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George H.W Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network. The NREN brought together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking.

Note that the high pressure area sitting off the coast of California for the past several months seems very unusual, as normally such weather patterns are naturally continually on the move across the globe.

yes, you should...i watched them several times and looked into some of their references before bothering you folks with it


a short attention span is a great way to limit knowledge and understanding

Note that the high pressure area sitting off the coast of California for the past several months seems very unusual, as normally such weather patterns are naturally continually on the move across the globe.

And in more bad news, one of the researchers cited by the GWPF report has told me that even if Lawson's think tank is right, then we're heading for 3C of global warming by the end of the century (which is actually very bad news).

Even if we were to accept lower estimates for climate sensitivity, Meinshausen writes, this "only results in a delay of less than a decade in the timing of when the 2C threshold would be crossed" if no firm action were taken to cut emissions.