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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Defensible space. Fire crew was able to get in there.
Con fire crew. These guys were assuredly psyched to be fighting fires.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Tonight .. Turtleback Dome webcam, just now........F*#k
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Intense year. I've got to re-set my feelings about fire. I know it's important, but this article from Outside online makes the point very well, I think.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2320206/prescribed-wildfire-solution-florida
Some shizzle:
Prescribed burns must meet National Environmental Policy Act muster. That can take years. Get through NEPA, and then air-quality boards have to sign off on smoke pollution that is unhealthy and unpleasant. Then a week must come when it’s dry but not too dry and windy enough to transport the smoke but not too windy to fan the flames. A 1,000-acre prescribed burn in Sequoia National Park took the incident commander a third of an almost 40-year career to find a window when all the various factors lined up.
Today, controlled fires are as cultural as NASCAR.
“The Thomas Fire burned 280,000 acres in Los Angeles and was front-page news for weeks,” Heirs tells me on the drive out to the research burn. That fire burned 1,000 homes. “In a 30-mile radius around Tallahassee, we burned the equivalent land, and it never made the news because we didn’t lose a single house.”
We need MORE fire, not less. Folks should think long and hard before moving into fire-prone areas. I guess you should be prepared to lose everything and have a good escape plan.
BAd
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John M
climber
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At 8:22 in the morning there is only one car in the parking lot at the Tuolumne Meadows store? I wonder if the campground is full. Clear skies too.
Huh.. tried to upload a screen capture of meadows store webcam, it wouldn't go. kept getting error message.
Poor Foresta can't catch a break from fire.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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We need MORE fire, not less. ok, but let people who know what they are doing start them. Not some idiot who throws a cigarette out of a car window, or someone who doesn't know how to put a campfire out.
Folks should think long and hard before moving into fire-prone areas.
that's what I said upthread. However, people think they have the right to live wherever they want. this is true, but they need to know the consequences.
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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DMT
Does CalFire no longer require clearing a defensible space around one's property? We had that requirement in place many years ago in Mariposa.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Cal Fire still requires defensible space. Their basic requirements are to do hard clearance in a 30 foot zone around any structure - house, shed, barn, etc. Hard means no ground debris, no overhanging trees, limbs lifted a minimum of 8 feet (higher on sloping ground). From footage marker 31 out to 100 feet, lesser clearing is allowed - can have 2-4 inches of compacted needles, humus, etc. Limbs still lifted to 8 feet.
Some HOA communities have stricter requirements such as requiring clearing of unoccupied (no structures) lots or requiring the entire lot to be had cleared if a building exists. My little group in Eastern Madera County went this hard route following the French Fire.
We now look like a park, but surrounding us on all sides is untouched Forest Service land with an estimated 300-400 standing dead bark beetle trees per acre ready to go up like roman candles.
Yes, we know we are fooling ourselves, but humans are optimistic creatures so we keep believing.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, nita... zBrown... john M... and the list goes on,
and, DMT ... thank you all for the information and the updates...
it is hard, trying to understand all this...
and, worse yet, to think and care about folks you love, and
their neighbors, and know you can't help them...
and, yet, we still pray... for those areas, and for the firefighters...
thanks for the update for foresta and for yosemite, and for,
every bit of info, on fire, that you share, here...
i just really want to understand a bit better...
thanks, robb and ricky D for the 'question and answer' there...
it takes TIME to stop what you are doing and share all this...
we are all just watching and waiting... :(
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Guck
Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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DMT; People might not create a defensible space because they are not allowed to. Here in Santa Barbara, the "chaparral institute", the Audubon society, the Sierra Club, ... all have successfully lobbied the County Planning department, and it is now illegal to clear brush and chaparral without having a licensed biologist and botanist survey the land, in search for "sensitive" plants or animals. The total cost of the survey and county fees to have the right to clear the land is far beyond what people can afford so they are resigned to live on a tinderbox. I bet that if given the chance, people would clear the area around their home.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, Guck... whewww... wow... thanks for sharing that, ...
:O *never realized, one could not clear for safety...
(i've heard all kinds of other 'community' etc. neighbor rules,
but, as i do not live in such, i just 'plain ol' never realized' ...
again, thanks for sharing, to add this whole 'picture' ...
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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Guck that's crazy. Time for some midnight landscaping!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
The Ocean
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Guck...I find that ...implausible
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zBrown
Ice climber
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http://www.sbcfire.com/vegetation-management/
Defensible Space Program
The Vegetation Management Section (VMP) is responsible for producing Santa Barbara County’s Unit Fire Plan, as well as planning and oversight of range improvement burns and VMP projects. The Unit Fire Plan ensures compliance with state mandates regarding the county’s hazardous fuel beds while range improvement burns not only assist ranchers with improved grazing lands, but assist fire managers with reduced fuel loads. Encompassed in this responsibility is the administration of the Defensible Space Program as outlined in California’s Public Resource Code 4291.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dang...that's not looking good.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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There is also a fire along Hwy 108, to the west of Sonora Pass, which appears to have started at the east end of Donnell Lake. Inciweb currently lists it at 6,000 acres and 2% contained. It started the evening of August 1st.
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6092/
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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DMT; People might not create a defensible space because they are not allowed to. Here in Santa Barbara, the "chaparral institute", the Audubon society, the Sierra Club, ... all have successfully lobbied the County Planning department, and it is now illegal to clear brush and chaparral without having a licensed biologist and botanist survey the land, in search for "sensitive" plants or animals. The total cost of the survey and county fees to have the right to clear the land is far beyond what people can afford so they are resigned to live on a tinderbox. I bet that if given the chance, people would clear the area around their home.
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