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Elcapinyoazz

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Joshua Tree

Sep 24, 2015 - 11:25am PT

Those are really separate issues Chaz. The basin in question doesn't reach City of Riverside, there may be slight fringes of City land in it, basically it's MoVal, Perris, Nuevo. You can look at p226 in this pdf (second graphic in Fig3) to see the lake and the Perris North subbasin that is filling with groundwater:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/1781/pdf/pp1781_section12.pdf

As for San Bernardino, many years ago there was talk of creating a recreation lake there due to rising groundwater. That seems to have remedied itself a decade or so ago. The proposal then fell off the radar and I doubt there are any flooded basements or roped off cinema seats that last 10 or 15 years. At one time there were newspaper articles touting the proposed lake. My timeframe may be slightly off, but I've got those articles in a file somewhere here in the office, as we initially started investigating and spinning up to engage at high levels in govt those popped up in our data gathering efforts.

10b4me

Social climber

Sep 24, 2015 - 11:37am PT

While I am hoping somebody with a better knowledge of this subject pipes up here, it's a fact that our population is growing and most of the people I know like to live in houses. Where should they all go??

out of state

Lollie

Social climber

I'm Lolli.

Sep 24, 2015 - 11:51am PT

Come to Sweden. Plenty of water. Both in the ground and pouring down from above, as snow in the winter, though. Main source of energy. Summer sucks most of the time, then once in awhile you get a heatwave.
Other benefits is plenty of granite, and a tolerance for most ways of life.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Sep 24, 2015 - 11:57am PT

Lake Sabrina the other day...

c wilmot

climber

Sep 24, 2015 - 12:04pm PT

Thank you for your email.

We began delivering water from the Sacramento River to the Walnut Creek Water Treatment Plant on September 15th. This water has a different taste and smell profile than our normal water supply which comes from the Mokulumne River or water from our local reservoirs to which customers are accustomed. The water is still safe to drink and use and continues to meet all state and federal public health standards. Chilling your water may help with the taste.

You can find more about some of the drought related changes we have made on our website at http://www.ebmud.com/customers/alerts/changes-taste-and-smell-your-tap-water/.

Is drinking water from the Sac really safe?

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Sep 24, 2015 - 02:25pm PT

Has anyone considered climate geoengineering to possibly be a cause of the drought, and forest fires?

Yes, an endless litnany of ignorant nutjobs on the internet has.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Sep 24, 2015 - 04:26pm PT

Awww...shucks, guys. Do you not ever question things, outside the box?

All the time. Outside of basic sanity and rational thought, no. Love the conspiracy theorists - always thinking men are omnipotent; not the slightest clue about infrastructure requirements, labor resourcing or supply chains. What you suggest with geoengineering / chemtrails would be the equivalent of fracking on today's scale, but with no one in the state of North Dakota seeing any sign of it or knowing anything about it.

Dude, if it were happening on any scale at all then a significant number of dirtb..., I mean folks, here on ST would be employed doing it and tell us all about it.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Sep 24, 2015 - 10:30pm PT

Whether or not it's happening now, matters not so much as the fact that it's being discussed as a measure to combat global warming. That concerns me, some.

It's been discussed for over 10 years. I attended a conference on it last year.

But your cursory understanding is flawed. Yes, one could spread particles in the air, and yes, if the right type, could reflect sunlight back into space.

But the EFFECT would be global COOLING.

Splater

climber

Grey Matter

Sep 24, 2015 - 10:41pm PT

Exxon: The Road Not Taken
Exxon Confirmed Global Warming Consensus in 1982 with In-House Climate Models
The company chairman would deny their own climate models as unreliable while he campaigned to stop global action to reduce fossil fuel emissions.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18092015/exxon-confirmed-global-warming-consensus-in-1982-with-in-house-climate-models

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Sep 25, 2015 - 01:22am PT

edit: "...infrastructure requirements, labor resourcing or supply chains..."
Sounds to me like code, for world-wide open borders. Am I close?

No, what you fail to understand at a fundamental level is that any 'geo-engineering' attempt to effect global climate in any significant way would require funding, infrastructure, labor resources and supply chains of incredible scope and scale - i.e. is never going to happen. Just altering all our existing infrastructures, supply chains and behaviors in any significant way is a massive undertaking let alone a dedicated geo-engineering effort aimed at climate change.

Sure we speculate about it, study the ideas, and run micro-climate attempts with our fingers crossed when we get desperate for rain, but that's where it stops. The only exception I know of is China's Three North Shelterbelt Project which has planted billions of trees since 1978 to try and hold back the Gobi Desert (with questionable success).

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Sep 25, 2015 - 09:06am PT

From EOS Earth & Space Science News
courtesy of Jim Shirley of NASA, my old climbing partner

http://eos.org/articles/noaa-predicts-strong-el-nio

This mentions that a further update would be forthcoming by September 17, but I cannot find anything except this, which promotes BIG BLUE LIVE on PBS.

http://blog.conservation.org/2015/08/bracing-for-the-biggest-el-nino-on-record-how-climate-change-is-upping-the-ante/?gclid=Cj0KEQjw4ZOwBRDoxpjAvPXAl5MBEiQAEek_3v_HYFhsH0ODvrOUkWAIG-SwCqSajkhIBsm9qeNMSOkaAjoj8P8HAQ

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Sep 25, 2015 - 09:09am PT

looks easy from here

climber

Ben Lomond, CA

Oct 14, 2015 - 05:41pm PT

Anyone have any recent shots of Hetch Hetchy? Wondering how bad the ring is.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 14, 2015 - 05:47pm PT

c wilmot

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 06:14pm PT

can someone explain why one plane emits steam from its engines while another plane flying even higher does not?

I saw this the other day and I hate to say it...but chem trails kind of sounds plausible. It would be pretty easy to blend whatever in the fuels meant for regional distribution...got me

John M

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 06:17pm PT

the atmosphere is not consistent. Different moisture amounts plus different temps mean contrails will form at different altitudes.

or its martians..

I'm never quite clear on the difference.

c wilmot

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 06:38pm PT

thanks^ that makes more sense

10b4me

Social climber

Retired

Oct 15, 2015 - 07:39am PT

Oct 15, 2015 - 06:46am PT
Jeez folks around these parts are talking about El Nino like record setting rain is a given.

a jpl scientist says there is a ninety-five percent chance of El Niño happening.
I will believe it when I see it.

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Oct 15, 2015 - 08:35am PT

El Nino. First the winds will blow the roves off our houses, then it will dump 5" in 20 minutes.
With all the forest fires, the raging rivers will be brown with precious top soil.

Yeah, these things are possible I suppose.

Right now, what we need is scattered showers, for a few weeks, so the little plants can take root and
hopefully keep some of the soil in place if it does dump.

Yosemite is getting thunder showers. So that's a good thing. Right now, though, lightening is a scary thing.

+1 on the Chem Trail switch! It looks pretty unused though.