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Wade Icey
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www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 11, 2011 - 12:32am PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 11, 2011 - 12:52am PT
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Bump.
I'm being serious. Not kidding.
Note:
One reply to the above written article is by . . .
Satish Chandra, a India citizen living in Canada?
http://mwcnews.net/focus/editorial/10602-assassination-of-bin-laden.html
See the very first response.
I would hope that the US Intel agencies are all over this guy. He is really really whacked. He threatens the USA in countless ways in his reply. Unbelievable really. I don't know how someone like this is not in custody and being questioned. He has threatened the USA in countless ways in his pro-India and anti-USA rant . . .
Dangerous, dangerous stuff. Get on it USA intel.
Anyone know how to contact the proper USA authorities to report someone who is threatening the USA with hidden nuclear bombs in several well known US cities in his writings in his blogs, and in this response to an article? More than likely fake but then shouldn't we take all threats seriously and check them out?
FATTRAD, you have connections. What does someone do with this info? Who do you go to?
Seriously.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 01:03am PT
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Obama's? Tarpley's? Someone else? Who?
Even if we didn't read any books regarding Obama, he is not who he said he was. He is not keeping his promises, and he is going nearly full-tilt in the other direction.
You know a man by what he does, not what he says.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
what far-left idiots don't seem to recognize,is that Obama inherited a disaster of incredible magnitude, that could have turned into the Second Great Depression. Easily.
He devoted his energy to turning that around, and doing other things that would affect the long term mess with healthcare. He did a lot of other things too, in the TWO YEARS he's been in office. The idiots expected him to do everything, all at once, like he'd been elected King.
Had he taken such an approach, we'd be looking at a Repub takeover of the Senate and White House in 18 months. Instead, he has all but guaranteed re-election and possible recapture of the House.
Why do progressives insist upon suicide?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 01:16am PT
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Scenario:
Bin Laden captured.
Americans, all over the world, kidnapped. Demand: Free Bin Laden, or we will behead one American every hour, on tape. Here is the first ten.
One hundred have been taken, in 30 countries. Not consolidated.
What is your response?
Oops, ten more beheaded.
What is your response?
Is this the scenario you like? Why on earth would you set it up? Why on earth would one want to discuss a possible deception, and he is alive, if that were the case? Convince enough people, and you've set up the above scenario.
There are some things I don't want to know, and I am happy to be uninformed about.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 01:25am PT
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I think most Americans can agree on much of this. We were hoping we would get that with Obama. The Democratic Progressive base put Obama into office without a doubt ...
1) Full Employment
2) Medicare for All
3) Civil Rights/Human Rights/Civil Liberties
4) Fair Trade
5) End the Wars Now
Actually, that 2012 candidate would be: Barack Obama.
Problem is, he would not be running for King, but President. All five are opposed by the Repub majority in the House, so no bill could be passed as such.
The only way to move towards those, is by negotiation and compromise, and get a percentage of what one wants.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 11, 2011 - 01:39am PT
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Ken,
What you don't think just out right assassinating him (if we did indeed do so?????) couldn't have the same guaranteed blow-back response now?
Now it could be fair game for any US enemy linked to any kind of terrorist group to capture and assassinate Americans just for pure retribution, and then say "fair is fair."
You don't think this US response will make the world safer do you?
It was not justice, it was retribution.
And then we aren't really sure if OBL had anything to do with 9-11. He publically denied it many times in no uncertain terms. Yet he admitted and took credit for other terrorist acts. So he was responsible for other terrorist plots, yes. But 9-11? The evidence isn't there. That's why the FBI didn't list OBL as wanted as a suspect for 9-11.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 02:01am PT
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Ken,
What you don't think just out right assassinating him (if we did indeed do so?????) couldn't have the same guaranteed blow-back response now?
Now it could be fair game for any US enemy linked to any kind of terrorist group to capture and assassinate Americans just for pure retribution, and then say "fair is fair."
You don't think this US response will make the world safer do you?
It was not justice, it was retribution.
And then we aren't really sure if OBL had anything to do with 9-11. He publically denied it many times in no uncertain terms. Yet he admitted and took credit for other terrorist acts. So he was responsible for other terrorist plots, yes. But 9-11? The evidence isn't there. That's why the FBI didn't list OBL as wanted as a suspect for 9-11.
Klimmer, let me rephrase the situation.
Al-Queda has kidnapped the person that you respect the most in the world, threatening to cut off a finger or toe every hour, just for the fun of it.
What are you willing to do to get them back? Would that be the exact same thing that you would be willing to do if they simply killed that person?
THAT is what they are willing to do.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 11, 2011 - 12:01pm PT
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Bluering
Also heard .375, .45 that delivered the blow. You are correct about close quarters, it would depend on if he was in the room or backup at entrance at door, blew the back of brain, spilling contents. So distance would make a difference. Seals retool bullets or shape tips to there specs so could be.
Modified SIG Sauer P226 with either green or red laser and possible addition light [white] mounted on firearm. Seals would have used night vision, white light would interfere. Could have used both. Green better.
You said “Doesn't really matter. The f*#ker is dead. 2-3 bullets. Who cares what delivered them....” correct on that one as well.
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monolith
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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Bin Laden took responsibility for 9/11 in 2004(video) and 2006(audio). Of course, the truthers will cry "fake". Whatever.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
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Nope...you campaigned for her (palin).
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monolith
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
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Well Duh, Jolly. Truthers also say al-Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11.
Why don't you cut'n'paste something about "fire can't melt steel" too?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
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Ken M,
Would would be an appropriate response????? Turn Mecca and Medina to glass, watch them give up, it's a "Clash of Civilizations".
You will have surrendered to OBL. It is what he WANTS.
His goal is to create a war between all of Islam and the West. By destroying the religious sacred sites of innocent members of Islam, we will have turned the entire muslim world against us, and will have fulfilled OSL's prediction of who we are, and what we are about.
We set off those nukes, the third will be set off in NYC, from a fishing boat in the harbor. Then the nuclear war begins.
By the way, except for the specific players, this was the same plan as Charles Manson, code named Helter Skelter.
Ooops....ten more hostages killed. And ten more. 100 more taken hostage.
What are you going to do? tick tock. tick tock. Tempis Fugit
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 11, 2011 - 02:57pm PT
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Yeah, Fatty now says Palin is an "idiot"
Yet he voted for McCain, the man who "vetted" Palin, the man who's "judgment"
Fatty relied on to make much more difficult decision as POTUS.
Blind, ignorant support for the Republican "ticket", no matter who is their candidate.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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Monolith writes
Bin Laden took responsibility for 9/11 in 2004(video) and 2006(audio). Of course, the truthers will cry "fake". Whatever.
let's forget for a minute that those videos are super fishy, one doesn't even look like Bin Laden.
and even forget that the CIA admits to making a fake Bin Laden Video and then handing the program over to the military.
It is indisputable that Bin Laden also denied being invovled with 9-11 at least four or five times before these two videos emerged. Not only did he deny it, but condemned the method because it targeted women and children. It's not as if he didn't already admit involvement in operations like the Cole, and was already on the FBI most wanted list, so it wasn't to save his skin that he initially denied it so why condemn 9-11 as immoral and then admit it?
The video confessions were fake, and contain many clues (Bin Laden using the wrong hand and wearing a gold ring) that they were not real.
Here's the transcript of a Bin Laden Interview with a Pakistani paper denying 9-11
http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html
Particularly relevant portion quoted below
"....I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam.
All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. ...
Now that doesn't mean Al Queda, whatever that is, wasn't behind 9-11. At the time, the media explained that Al Queda wasn't a centrally run organization but that cells organized themselves and did operations as they chose under the banner of Al Queda. (sorta like somebody calling himself a Earth Firster might monkey-wrench something without some official go-ahead)
Peace
Karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 11, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
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Fatty, YOU voted to put Palin one heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief.
And shut the fuk up about the "drugs" I take for my spine pain.
You ignorant horse's ass.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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May 11, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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Karl,
What makes you think that interview is legitimately Osama Bin Laden and not a fake that someone made up? Do you have the original sources or online publication?
Just a quick google search and that source, Ummat, is thrown into question immediately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummat_(newspaper);
Ummat (Urdu: روزنامہ امت) is an Urdu-language, Islamist newspaper published From Karachi, Pakistan.
Ummat is known for interviewing Osama bin Laden shortly after the 9/11 attack. In the interview he declared: "I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle." [1]
However, the validity of the interview with Osama Bin Laden has come under question as the reporter never actually met Bin Laden, but merely sent written questions to the Taliban government (at that time in power in Afghanistan and facing an attack from the US/UN) and received written replies.[2]
Just think about it for a second. In 2001 the Taliban is scared shitless of an imminent American attack. They also know that the US believes Bin Laden is hiding out in Afghanistan and the primary goal of the attack would be to kill Osama and dismantle Al Qaeda. So to downplay the threat they create a story about Bin Laden having no connection with 911. The fact that interview was not with Osama Bin Laden matters. Not only that, but "truthers" have run with the story and lied about it, saying it was in fact Osama Bin laden being interviewed.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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I met Biden over 20 years ago and spent an hour with him and did not call him an idiot to his face.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 11, 2011 - 03:53pm PT
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Fair question Port. It's worth noting that that wasn't Bin Laden's only denial of 9-11. He denied it more times than he took credit, so maybe the answer is "Who knows? THere's a whole lot of lying going on"
But, of course, Even the US calls KSM the mastermind of 9-11 and we have precious little information of what and how KSM did what he did. So basically we're in the dark about a LOT about 9-11 and the 9-11 commission report didn't even address many significant element of the operation like the all important "follow the Money" part, or the 9-11 war games that put false blips on US radar screens coinkydentally.
Some denials come from Wikileaked documents translated by the CIA
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikileaks_obtains_10_years_of_messages,_interviews_from_Osama_bin_Laden_translated_by_CIA
But there are at least 4 recorded denials of 9-11 by Bin Laden, some quoted or linked elsewhere in this thread by me
Peace
karl
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
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Fatty probably advised McCain to call Obama "That one" in the debate.
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