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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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Fox News, always a bastion of true reporting.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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Hey Sketch, you're back! Nice. Maybe now you can show me where I lied.
I mean, you called me a liar. Where's the lie you're referencing??
No running away now...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
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I, too, do not understand the scientific process.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Feb 26, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
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Why is it if you live in a yurt growing your own food and say "our country is on an unsustainable path and needs to change to prevent further global warming" people say "haha look at that idiot hippie loon don't listen to him" and if you live in a big house and say "we need to work to prevent further global warming" people say "oh god look at the hypocrite don't listen to him?" It's almost as if your criticism is entirely arbitrary and defensive and has no basis in reality at all but that can't be true because everyone knows that climbers are intelligent, thoughtful huagluaguaguhahashashahahahahahaha
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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Ah, I see it now. Wow, you actually did respond. I am impressed.
You said:
"In other words, complete whackos who spout lies and fabrications about the science are given equal (or more) air time than the bona fide climate scientists who can actually back up what they claim with peer-reviewed papers."
It's bogus. At the least, it's an unsupported claim.
If it's true (and I am wrong), you should be able to easily back it up.
Can you back it up?
You bet. A quick Google gives me these two on top, I can get more in case you can't use Google:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/01/16/study-how-broadcast-news-covered-climate-change/197612
http://www.newsmax.com/us/brian-stelter-cnn-charles-krauthammer-john-kerry/2014/02/24/id/554325
So yeah. I do get pissy when I need to deal which schmucks like yourself. You can post on the Taco, show that you know how to do research, yet you find it easier to call me a liar than to enter one Google search.
Why are you the way you are Sketch?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 26, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
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I must applaud you Bruce, that's funny. Too bad the issue, or more precisely the lack of an issue, is so damn serious. Considering this, I have no choice but the standard reply- GFYS EDIT: no, it's attack on all fronts.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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Amazing the denial.
First paragraph of first link:
Furthermore, while one Sunday show interviewed scientists about climate change, distinguishing itself as the first such program to do so in five years, these shows continued to rely largely on media figures and Republicans to dictate the conversation around global warming.
Sketch, can't read?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
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"In other words, complete whackos who spout lies and fabrications about the science are given equal (or more) air time than the bona fide climate scientists who can actually back up what they claim with peer-reviewed papers."
Sketch, what does this graph mean to you? It's from the first link I posted:
$100 says Sketch doesn't directly address my question and eat his words.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
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"Love that Media Matters. No bias there. Nothing to see folks. Move along."
So, now you're calling Media Matters liars. I'm sure you can prove their claim is wrong, eh?
I gave you proof, and of course, you DENY. DENY DENY. No surprise.
First you say the articles don't address my point, then when I show you all you need to do is read the first paragraph, you backtrack and say the message can't be trusted.
While I can use Google and find 10 more articles that support my claim, your response is easy to predict.
Trying to have a "conservation" with you is like trying to talk to an toddler. I'm tired of your petty games. The only thing proven here is the level of intellect possessed by the denier crowd.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 26, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
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Norton, you never had an open mind on this subject. For you to make out like you are receptive to change of mind dependent on adequate proofs is a lie on your part , and yes cowardly to boot. Face it Norton , you are willing to sacrifice independence and integrity for acceptance by the herd
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and THAT is your answer as to how the "data has errors, is manipulated" ???
Rick, you did not show the errors, instead, like a third grader, tried to insult me personally
weak, very weak Rick.....that all you got, childish insult?
apparently so, and now is when you man up and admit that you LIED
admit you are a LIAR, and admit there are NO "errors" in the data
do it, do it now or suffer the horrible consequences of, you know, being called dumb?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 26, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
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The data , is rife with errors from adjustments, deletion of outliers not conducive to the narrative, infills in areas beyond coverage, incorrectly positioned stations, twisted interpretations of proxies , etc. Etc. You Norton apparently cant read, wont read, or have no comprehension of what you read. Which is it Norton? Don't project your own character on others . Quit lying about the flexability of your mind. I don't and never will dance to your tune .
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 26, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
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Lies & fabrications ... that's what you get from "El Chapo"
If you're gonna bust on The Chief for his (presumed lack of) height, at least make in interesting and post more tit shots--that last one was pretty good!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 26, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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The data , is rife with errors from adjustments, deletion of outliers not conducive to the narrative, infills in areas beyond coverage, incorrectly positioned stations, twisted interpretations of proxies , etc. Etc. You Norton apparently cant read, wont read, or have no comprehension of what you read. Which is it Norton? Don't project your own character on others . Quit lying about the flexability of your mind. I don't and never will dance to your tune .
and once AGAIN, Rick Sumner resorts to personal insults
because what else can he do?
bottom line: He absolutely cannot point out ANY ERRORS in the "data"
yet continues to insist there are errors, somewhere, but does know where
weak, so very very weak.....Rick....bottom line is that you are a LIAR because you LIED
shame on you, you are suffering the consequences of being a childish LIAR
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
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Sketch, is CNN (my second link) also not a trusted source?
So, Sketch, please; what is a news source you trust?
I don't want to find more articles that perfectly support my claim, only to have you say "not a trusted source."
BTW, the Media Matters story talks about much more than just Sunday talk shows. You might have know that had you taken 2 minutes to skim the article.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 26, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
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Norton I gather you are retired military or proudly seved at least. Once again, I posted reference to three papers from actual independent scientists pointing out errors in the collection, manipulation , and/or misuse of of data to bolster a narrative by IPCC of doom, sometimes by scientifically impossible processes. The Chief has patiently posted graph after graph and reference to papers likewise pointing out the Impossibility of CAGW, for years now. Have you not listened to Spencer, Lindzen, Christy, Pielke, Curry, Happer, Dyson, Salby and many , many other of the most learned people in the world on this subject? They all point out the errors and misuse of data. Their papers, presentations and articles have been posted again and again.. Back to your service of country, I assume you served honorably and at one time honored the blood and toil of generations before in establishing this great country that has accomplished more and was responsible for more personal freedoms than any nation before. You are an american, for you to now to cast yout lot with these globalist criminals and idiots that ridicule and seek to tear down the country of your birth is beyond comprehension.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 26, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
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Look at that slab of text.^^^^^^^^[Click to View YouTube Video]
Literally,since 1950 ,aye Sketch?
You have information that CO2 has not caused warming?
Is it accepted by 3% of scientists?
Or perhaps even a majority of lay people?
You guys are always RIGHT.
Norton is right ,Braun.
These guys talk out of the side of their mouths.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 26, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
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The data , is rife with errors from adjustments, deletion of outliers not conducive to the narrative, infills in areas beyond coverage, incorrectly positioned stations, twisted interpretations of proxies , etc.
So it should be quite easy for you to show them, specific ones. Demonstrate one, any one, of these "errors from adjustments". You make this claim, and when asked to show them...any of them...you fail to do so, and simply repeat your prior claim.
The absolutely hilarious part is "twisted interpretations" and "incorrectly positioned stations" thus setting yourself up for an endless parade of "no not over there"...well where should we put it Rick? "F*#k if I know, but not anywhere it is now, or anywhere you ever propose for it to be, because then I couldn't continue to claim it's not in the right spot"
Comedy gold man, absolute gold. I think it's time to put down the hammer and walk away from the siding gig, Hollywood pays top cash for that kind of assclownery.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
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The CNN story was fine. It did not confirm your claim.
Hmmm, the first two paragraphs of the CNN Story:
NN's senior media correspondent says journalists should not give air time to people who question the theory of global warming, arguing the evidence for climate change is conclusive and no longer open for debate.
"Let's begin with an important journalistic statement," Brian Stelter said Sunday on CNN's "Reliable Sources." "Some stories don't have two sides. Some stories are simply true. There's no necessity to give equal time to the 'other side.' One of these is climate change."
To me, this states that any air time given to the denier crowd is too much time.
I'd say this supports my claim nicely, while you say it does not. Please, tell me how it does not support my claim:
"In other words, complete whackos who spout lies and fabrications about the science are given equal (or more) air time than the bona fide climate scientists who can actually back up what they claim with peer-reviewed papers."
Sketch, now do some research for me. Find a non-right wing media outlet that denies AWG.
Surely this should be easy to do, since you are so set on proving me wrong.
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