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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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Otay Water District’s general manager, Mark Watton, earns $301,000 a year ($220,592 without benefits) to run the water district. As reported by 10News, Watton also is given 71 days a year in vacation time.
Good work if you can get it. Now I don't want to prejudge this guy, but I would like to know what exactly he does and how the district manages itself without him for the about 20% of the year he's gone (27% if you want to just count 'workdays').
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 11, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
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Extreme high pay and benefits >> that is only the tip of the iceberg.
Here's an example.
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/san-diego-housing-commission/
Head of San Diego Housing Commission makes $400K. The average of the top 50 people there is $136,400. (found by pasting the first page into a spreadsheet). These vast sums do not include their ludicrous retirement. Nor the fact that since they are exempt from paying into Social Security, the rest of us have to make up for that.
This is for a government mandated charity organization. Supposedly their purpose is to make housing more affordable. But really they just provide .01% of the population some subsidized housing (at triple the reasonable price to taxpayers) and in return cause the other 99.99% of the population to get shafted.
Now repeat this example for the other 5,000 agencies in California.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 11, 2015 - 11:50pm PT
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Good work if you can get it. Now I don't want to prejudge this guy, but I would like to know what exactly he does and how the district manages itself without him for the about 20% of the year he's gone (27% if you want to just count 'workdays').
Many many of these water districts are totally bogus, in terms of pay for the work done.
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Sep 12, 2015 - 12:32am PT
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Tip of the iceberg is so right - the public sector in California is so bloated and over-compensated it makes your head spin. And there is absolutely no way that this outrageous spending will ever be reined in thanks to our one-party government and low information voters.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 15, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
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Drought still on here despite having a frog strangler yesterday evening that overwhelmed my gutters.
It moved 45 miles on to Hilldale and killed at least a dozen plygs.
At the same time No-One was a stranded for the night a few miles away.
Apparently 7 people were foolish enough to be in the Narrows in Zion. They haven't recovered the bodies yet....
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 15, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
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Losers include Mother Earth and the environment. Winners include rich farmers and Big Water.
Same as it ever was.
BTW, Splater, those that don't pay into Social Security don't get it. Not that those big money guys need it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 24, 2015 - 08:58am PT
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I'm going to stoke the fire a little bit, because some of my professional work is overlapping with this thread, particularly with the Dingus diatribe of water storage/transport.
Most are familiar with the California Water Project. Down here, it splits into east and west branches, with the east branch eventually terminating at Lake Perris (to bring it on topic, the Big Rock climbing area is at Lake Perris). This lake isn't a natural lake at all, but a dam stuck at the low end of a ring of hills, then filled via the water project.
So while people are screaming for water, crops idled, and so on, the toe of the Perris dam is permeable, and losing about 2000 acre feet per year to infiltration (that's about 1.7 million gallons/day). And that doesn't account for the evaporation out of the lake itself, which has no outlet. The infiltration was planned, as I understand it, for additional storage in the ground and for recharge of groundwater to accommodate agriculture in the Moreno Valley/Perris/Nuevo area. But there isn't any ag in these areas anymore.
So now due to the infiltration from the lake and from the design of the Moreno Valley stormwater system that sends water across sub-basin boundaries into unlined channels in the problem basin, you have the groundwater sub-basin in this area rising over 40 feet since 1970. It is now as shallow as 10ft in places, and beginning to cause infrastructure and construction problems, in addition to raising liquefaction hazards during a quake. WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH WATER! Ironic and a difficult problem to solve without some kind of major action (lining the lake? taking the lake out of service? reducing flow into the lake and pumping the sh#t out of groundwater to recirc back into the lake?...no cheap options).
I'd wager you will hear about this in the press in about 8-12months as the politicians get involved. It's starting to cause some substantial problems for both municipalities and private construction (stormwater detention basins that won't ever completely empty), and the military base.
Too much water, in SoCal, during a historic drought. WTF?!
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Sep 24, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Thanks for the INFO CappedAzz.. Something to google and look at maps etc tonight.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 24, 2015 - 09:49am PT
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That could explain Riverside suing the State over mandated water restrictions.
"The city of Riverside has filed a suit to bar the state from imposing mandatory drought restrictions on it, saying it has its own plentiful groundwater"
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-riverside-water-reduction-lawsuit-20150609-story.html
“We have our own wells and our own water resources. No matter how much we save it has zero effect on the state water supply.”
Too bad it has to go to court.
San Bernardino should sue, too. High ground water has been a problem in Berdoo since day-1. I've seen movies at the Inland Cinema, on Orange Show Road at E Street, when the first few rows were roped off because they're underwater. The Post Office has the same problem. A lake in the basement. A quick look at a topo map will tell you why.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 24, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Yall want to know why the drought is causing water shortages?
IT ISN'T. Its people like the ones on the Folsom City Council ...
Dingus, that is crazy talk to say the drought isn't causing water shortages.
Also, while your example is a good one about cities pushing growth in a time when resources are thin, it's important to note that the State of California mandates that communities grow by a certain percentage if they want to qualify for state funds.
While I am hoping somebody with a better knowledge of this subject pipes up here, it's a fact that our population is growing and most of the people I know like to live in houses. Where should they all go??
Cheers,
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 24, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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Those are really separate issues Chaz. The basin in question doesn't reach City of Riverside, there may be slight fringes of City land in it, basically it's MoVal, Perris, Nuevo. You can look at p226 in this pdf (second graphic in Fig3) to see the lake and the Perris North subbasin that is filling with groundwater:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/1781/pdf/pp1781_section12.pdf
As for San Bernardino, many years ago there was talk of creating a recreation lake there due to rising groundwater. That seems to have remedied itself a decade or so ago. The proposal then fell off the radar and I doubt there are any flooded basements or roped off cinema seats that last 10 or 15 years. At one time there were newspaper articles touting the proposed lake. My timeframe may be slightly off, but I've got those articles in a file somewhere here in the office, as we initially started investigating and spinning up to engage at high levels in govt those popped up in our data gathering efforts.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Sep 24, 2015 - 11:37am PT
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While I am hoping somebody with a better knowledge of this subject pipes up here, it's a fact that our population is growing and most of the people I know like to live in houses. Where should they all go??
out of state
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Sep 24, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Come to Sweden. Plenty of water. Both in the ground and pouring down from above, as snow in the winter, though. Main source of energy. Summer sucks most of the time, then once in awhile you get a heatwave.
Other benefits is plenty of granite, and a tolerance for most ways of life.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 24, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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Lake Sabrina the other day...
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 24, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
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Thank you for your email.
We began delivering water from the Sacramento River to the Walnut Creek Water Treatment Plant on September 15th. This water has a different taste and smell profile than our normal water supply which comes from the Mokulumne River or water from our local reservoirs to which customers are accustomed. The water is still safe to drink and use and continues to meet all state and federal public health standards. Chilling your water may help with the taste.
You can find more about some of the drought related changes we have made on our website at http://www.ebmud.com/customers/alerts/changes-taste-and-smell-your-tap-water/.
Is drinking water from the Sac really safe?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 24, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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Has anyone considered climate geoengineering to possibly be a cause of the drought, and forest fires? Yes, an endless litnany of ignorant nutjobs on the internet has.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 24, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
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Awww...shucks, guys. Do you not ever question things, outside the box?
All the time. Outside of basic sanity and rational thought, no. Love the conspiracy theorists - always thinking men are omnipotent; not the slightest clue about infrastructure requirements, labor resourcing or supply chains. What you suggest with geoengineering / chemtrails would be the equivalent of fracking on today's scale, but with no one in the state of North Dakota seeing any sign of it or knowing anything about it.
Dude, if it were happening on any scale at all then a significant number of dirtb..., I mean folks, here on ST would be employed doing it and tell us all about it.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 24, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
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Whether or not it's happening now, matters not so much as the fact that it's being discussed as a measure to combat global warming. That concerns me, some.
It's been discussed for over 10 years. I attended a conference on it last year.
But your cursory understanding is flawed. Yes, one could spread particles in the air, and yes, if the right type, could reflect sunlight back into space.
But the EFFECT would be global COOLING.
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