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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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"Don't worry splitter, your secret's safe with me."
Secret??
LOL.
Kinda public domain once you post it fer more than 15 seconds on the WWW, eh!
I have no secrets. And, like i said, cud give a flyin fluke who reads any of my drivel!!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jun 20, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
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BUSTED!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Guess what again?
Jeff, I have known who you are for the past 4-5 years i have been posting here under one logo(or whatever you call it)or another. CMac knows all of them(3). And lurking before that. Plus, I am one of your few(sorry to say)supporters(prollie won't win any popularity contest for saying so). I consider myself a Christian Zionist. Prollie get zapped off of hear and have to come up with another moniker, lol. And me referring to a couple of people as anti-semitist that were giving you a bigoted type of a hard time a while back prollie had a lot to do with me getting booted off for as couple weeks. Plus, my salty and seemingly pro marijauna stance was in regardsto the way i may have thought about things a long time ago. certainly not now. Drugs are a big reason this country is going down the drain. If i couldngonback, i would never bought weed nor associated with anyone who did or used it. Live and learn, eh? And perhaps I am actually a DEA or FBI agent that has simply done his homework regarding this site?? better watch what you say d00ds!! just sayin...
edite: "BUSTED" for what?
And, liken i just implied, you have been flashing that diploma at least once a week for the past coupkle of years. And, you use to go by 'Jody's Evil Twin' a couple years ago! What happened, have a falling out with Jody?
So, i would say that you the one who be BUSTED!!
Thank you, Don Paul...I will drop all charges also!!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jun 20, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
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NOT GUILTY. CASE DISMISSED.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jun 20, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
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I wonder how it was determined that the sacramental herb was on it's way to the U.S. Maybe it was on its way to Canada or perhaps Thailand to be converted into hash oil.
Anyway,
I think the best plan going forward is for one of you out there with a medical marijuana permit (fattrad?), to petition the Navy for the return of your and your 19,000 member family's prescription medicine.
Finally, to keep this (sort of) thread relevant. I guess that modern day Southern Caifornia enthusiasts are not as quick as 1977 Yosemite Valley denizens, because I did not hear one report of any out there in the water doing retrieval work.
Ric, I can be your man on the scene and maybe we can pull off a co-authored tome on this new episode.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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zBrown,
Now there's a plan that takes a twisted mind to hatch...Kudos!! lol
edit: I am a supporter of the DEA/FBI/ICE in most cases. We would be in terrble mess without them. I am not a supporter of them thinking/wasting time monoriting all the drivel that has gone on here at the salaries they are paid. They really need to get serious in regards to the cartels on both sides of the border. US Army/National guard needs to get involved. And they need to go back to the street gang drug survelience, etc that was goingon before 9/11, the majority of that came to a hault then It is whatis cripling our country and gettingpeoples heads cutoff south of the borderin my opinion. all the dopers and drug addicts an dealers on this side of the border where all of it is going that comes from the cartels. what a mess. we need more good dea, fbi people imo! I just hate to see them wasting preciousn time, money and resources monitering goofballs drivel like yours truly(me)!! or that is what i recall Licky saying a few yers go. I do have my suspicionsin regards to Jacks untimely death. To do an el cap route with him was the reason i traveled back over to yosemite from mammoth a day or two after his death. the news of his demise is what greeted me upon my return! i checked that trail very closely upon my return, i became very suspicous in regards to what i found out and therefor havemy suspicions. i covered a lot of that earlier here on this thread over the past couplen of years!!
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jun 20, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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This thread went from awesome to paranoia.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jun 20, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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I wonder how it was determined that the sacramental herb was on it's way to the U.S. Maybe it was on its way to Canada or perhaps Thailand
VERY perceptive, you have identified the main defense. If drugs are confiscated in international waters, why would it be a crime against the United States? Maybe they violated Canadian law instead. Very clever but you can never be clever enough.
They use an expert witness to say that the boat was captured on a known drug trafficking route. I saw an expert with a map one time showing how the drugs typically go from one point to the next as they make their way north. Although his testimony was not related to the actual case, it was good enough. Just put another cop on the stand, as an expert, to say that in his opinion, the drugs were coming to the US.
GUILTY.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 09:13pm PT
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I think there may be a big misperception in regards to the widespread drug usage amongst clmbers during the seventies. I for one quit smoking pot before I even started climbing in 1971, and i never did any other types of drugs. I started climbing early that Spring and lived in Idylwild during the summer of '72-'73 and no one i new up there smoked anything.Perhaps people got it out of their system in college or never did do it. I never asked them. And I moved to the Valley and the eastside. My immediate group of friends and off and on again roomates were such people as(you can prollie figure out who some of them are from their initials).
Such peeeps as VC, BH, RW, KL, JS, RL, WR, GM, DH, PC, BT, and several others in our close nit circle of friends, many well known Valley climbers and some first ascencionist of El Cap routes Valley and TM free routes bitd, etc.! Non of these people did any kind of drugs, didn't even smoke pot. The subject wasn't even ever brought up. If we had a birthday party for someone or get together there wouold be a few beers, but I never once saw any of these guys drunk. We were high on living in the mountains and our mutual friendships. The only dood i did occasionally smoke pot during my later years at Mammoth was Millis. But even with Millis I could prollie count the number of times on one or both hands. We were always having a great time without it. C4 and some of the regulars there may have had a different story, I don't know. But we were not so inclined.
I didn't even start smoking pot until the summer I graduated from High School. The Tony H dood i told you about was one of my best friends in 10th grade. He quit surfing and strted hanging with a diferent crowd. We remained friends, and i was shocked to here he had been busted in TJ with a keylo of pot. In college when I was going to Ensenada a lot I did smoke weed regularly. But not in Highschol. It did not become the popular thing to do in SoCal until that summer of '68! The dood that got busted running keys across the border(Gary McA___)I didn't even know until he got out of jail and we became friends and climbing partners(around '72)and he related his drug running experiences. I bought a total of two or three keys which i had split with friends during my college yeaars prior to '71. 2.2 lbs each. Didn't make any money off them, maybe got our money back. We did, like I said, by them in San Miguel or someone else there had and gave some to us. Thatis what people did there, shared it for free because it was so cheap and you couldn't return with it anyway!
I was bummed i didn't make it up to the lake/plane becauseI was dirt broke and wanted to stay for thewhole Spring the Valley. Glad I didn't go up there because I believe it had a certain stigma attached to it. I didn't need anymore issues besides strugglingwith makinga living, etc! And. once again, even with people I just raninto and climbed once or twice in the Valley pot, etc. never came up. I abhored LSD, pychedelics because i saw the damage they could do...on a random basis, so why take the risk is the way I felt about it.
I did eat half a pan(split a whole pan)of marijauna brownies that had about 40 magic mushrooms(not sure if that is allot/never had any before or since)that a roommate talked me into splitting with him on his birthday one winter morning. He wasn't a climber. Took it at around 7:30am before work, had to promptly leave work around 8:30am and was so wired I just did top to bottoms at Mammoth all day. Had a great time, but new it was a dumb thing to get sucked into and I almost lost my job. And I had a little better idea wht people meant when they used the term "fried" after that. lol
Yeah, this thread is going downhill, just thought i would clear a few things up and add another straw to the camels back...Lata!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jun 20, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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VERY perceptive, you have identified the main defense. If drugs are confiscated in international waters, why would it be a crime against the United States? Maybe they violated Canadian law instead. Very clever but you can never be clever enough.
Well it's all comes down to how clever the guy arguing your case is. Then, factor that by how stupid the judge is. It's a crap shoot.
I would advise not rolling them bones.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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Jeff,
I have always had a very high opinion of you(and whether you did or didn't arrest anyone for weed wouldn't have changed my opinion one iota)and I am very appreciative of the fact that you put your life on the line on a daily basis to serve and uphold the law of the land and protect the citizens of our great country. And you stand up for your beliefs and the country of your people(Israel)those are very admirable traits. And if I am correct, you must have a huge, caring and loving heart to have adopted a young child from a far away country(China i believe)and I am sure many others feel the very same way about you but just, like myself, have never taken the time to tell you so!! And by all accounts, your are a great guy in person. Hopefully we will get to meet each other some day!!
Sincerely,
John/Splitter!!
edit: I was just pulling your leg in regards to Jody, I figured that you had a good reason! ;)
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jun 20, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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^I said somewhere (don't ask where, but it was on ST) that FAT deep-down is a good guy, just a little myopic from watching too many Po-lice training films. I wouldn't waste time teasing him otherwise.
I am the Anti-Law, just ask St. Augustine.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
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zBrown, You one cool and on top of it(life/music/the world)Dood!! And proud father(that is a blessing)!!
edit: Me, I am just happy & content to have a longtime standing/status as a renowned 'dirtbag'!! ;)
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jun 20, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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There is an additional problem, I'm afraid. The legend of the plane crash has a great mystique to it, but unfortunately does not seem to have involved any famous climbers or affected valley climbing in any significant way. Would have been a great addition to the stonemaster legend if the whole plan was financed by ganja, but that is not really what happened.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
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"So splitter...would you say you were hip or a square?"
I was very familiar with how those terms were defined by my generation. Somebody hip would have prollie had long hair(didn't necesariklky make them 'hip' but it gave the perception of hipness. I would have been percieved to be a hippy cuz my last haircut was around march or April of 1968 prololie wouldn't have gotten one(haircut) sooner except long hair still wasn't allowed in highschool then. And didn't get it cut until about nearly four years later. It went down to about three quarters of my back in a poneytail. And when I did cut it was to about shoulder length. Long hair in society is not that frowned upon now. But in 1968 it was anathma. Or at least by the majority of people over 30. And it was very dificult to get work for a couple of years unless it was janitor work(which i did during college).
I considered myself a surfer. Most surfers had long hair back then and were very committed to having all day available every day to surf cuz you never new when an awesome swell would come and you didn't want to miss it. So, once again, you sacrificed certain things like a good paying job and a girlfriend(cuz surfer still had a bad name and were considered going nowhere slackers, etc!
I marched in civil rights marches as a youth cuz i believed in equality and had a diversified/mixed group friends. And I marched in many peace marches, sit ins etc. from the get go. I supported the individual military person though. It really repelled me to here of people spitting on returning veterans. I held them/looked at them as being people who were willing to die for our country. I was conflicted about the war. Prollie four million southeast asians were slaughtered by the communist once we withdrew. But I did not want to see one more American youth(including myself die or maimed in a war that had been going nowhere for going on ten years so I demonstrated for the peace movement. Especially/more whole heartedly after Kent State. If I would have been drafted, I would have went in, I would not have dodged the draft by going to Canada even though I could of since all my family was born and from there(I was born in Seattle and I went to my first years of elementary school there(Canada). And all my relatives lived there and I could have went and lived with them. I just felt it was a cop out. I was living here in the USA, and felt that I should do what all other youth were doing in that situation if they were drafted. Certainly would have done everything legal to avoid it though.
I was a, and am, a man of honor. If I befriend somebody I would never rat on them. That is just low. I would rather go to jail for a few years or whatever. And would hope that i had good enough friends that would do the same. I would also defend them in just about any circumstance, whether they were right or wrong, particularly defend their life. Hash out the particulars later, maybe tell them goodbye I have stuck up for you the last time, but I would give them that warning. Not just let them down on the first instance of them falling short for some reason or other. Maybe insist that they get some kind of help or whatever. In other words, I wouldn't consider myself the type of person that is just a fair weather friend.
I, like 'zBrown' like all kinds of music and went to about every concert that came to town or many of the big acts up north(LA).
I liked smoking pot like i said, but quit for the most part because it started becoming essential to having a good time/getting really stoked about surfing. I found myself depressed if i couldn't smoke a joint and get totally ripped before i went surfing and later do a bong load before i even got out of bed in the morning. I would think back to when I was in highschool and was just super stoked to get up at dawn and get down to the beach to check the surf. It wasn't fun anymore if i was out of weed. One day I realized something wasn't right.
I lved animals and respected the environment and keeping it clean, etc. because I spent so much time in the ocean and mountains and desert, etc!
I don't know, what type of person would you consider hip in the 60's-70's, etc?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jun 20, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Uncle Martin:
If you haven't yet, you should be talking to ric. If you want to add to the narrative and preserve anonymity for yourself and your friends and associates ric will do that.
If you don't like the thread drift, that's EZ, just don't read it.
I've got plenty of dead friends and family. I would guess that most everybody does. What's your driving wheel here?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 21, 2012 - 12:02am PT
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What's your driving wheel here?
Same as it ever was. To whine about how everything has gone to sh#t since he was almost part of the scene.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 21, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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"Truth is, you had to take a level of risk that most of the stonemasters..."
I have no concerns in regard to protecting my "memory" if i did something if i feel as thought is worth sharing, that someone could gain from it or learn from my mistakes, i would and have shared them here on this sight.
I wasn't fool hearty. I never let people goad me into doing something that could end up costing my life to just increase my reputation or gain acceptance.
I have told a couple stories here on ST. Like the time these kids wanted me to jump off a bridge and get sucked under it via cement drainage pipe that emptied out on the other side. I assessed it and could not see through the pipe because the water was over flowing/to the top of it. The kids all said the did it. And it was safe. I didn't get to swim with them on that hot day because i refused to do it. And when i went back a couple weeks later when the water was lower i found out there was rebar crisscrossing the middle of the pipe and chicken coop wire over it. I would have drowned. I was nine years old.
I was not a chicken sh#t though. When I was about 21 I encountered this guy in his early thirties who just raced out the side door of his house(flames shot out behind him. I met him at his curb just as all the skin on his right arm dripped off into a big puddle into the curb.he looked up into my eyes with a desperately pleading look and said "My baby is in there."
I went around to the front door and opened it and was knocked flat on my ass by the blast of heat, smoke and flames that shot out. It was pure black and raging smoke that was pouring out from about knee high. I got on my knees and crawled into the living room. It was so hot that I could not breath through my nose(i ended up with blisters in my nose cavity. I had t9o take little sip of air through my clenched teeth. Could not open my eyes except for a second at a time when necessary cuz they prollie would have exploded from the heat. Ended up with big blister on my palms from sliding them across the hot floor. Thank God It was Fall and I had a heavy coat on. My shoulder length hair was all burnt and shriveled up like an Afro. My eye lashes and eyebrows were gone. I had blister all over my neck and ears. I kept going and would have kept going tell I ignited or found the baby. I could only crawl very slowly because of the heat. I made it a hallway to the left because the kitchen had exploded into flame and the living room was about to go up. I had left the door open and the smoke was pouring out and lifting, but it was adding oxrgn to the fire and all hell was about to greak loose. I keptgoing. I am not bragging, but i had no fear. I had a picture of a little helpless baby and that mans pleading eyes fixed in my mind. part way down the hall way the smoke continued to lft to about waste high I saw a figure croached/frozen against the wall with her eyes closed. She had something wrapped in a blanket, i figured it was the baby. I slowly made my way towards her. Just as i was about close enough touch her the smoke lifted to about her eye level she suddenly opened her eyes and when she saw me she tilted her head to the side with a very peculiar look om her face.. As if to say what the hell is some guy doing crawling across my floor.. She suddenly came to her sense jumped up and ran towards and out the door. I did likewise. We both, along with the baby in her arms, collapsed on the lawn. The fir dept arrived a few minutes later. I got up and walked around for a little bit observing things and then went home with a couple of my neighbors who were with me but stayed outside. I was feeling kind of sick and very short of breath. Prollie should of went to the hospital but i had no money. I was burping up smoke for at least a month or so after that.. My face was a beat red and like i said i had a lot of blisters. I was fortunate, so was the baby, it was freed to go home after a day or so the man was in the hospital a week or two. The lady barely lived, but got out in about three or four weeks. I didn't really think anything about it. Kind or an anti climax sort of thing. I didn't think i saved anybody or was a hero cuz I didn't carry them out. she ran out on her own. Then one day about twenty years later, my whole family and some guests wher at our home and my sister suddenly blurts out, John is a hero, he entered this burning house and saved this baby and lady. I was puzzeled, perplexed. What was she talking about.. I didn't agree about the hero or even the saving cuz she ran out on her own. My neighbors that were there evidently told everyone what had happened back then cuz i may have briefly told them what happened cuz i looked like a cat that someone stuck in their oven and turned up the heat full blast for 30-60 seconds or so.. That is the way it felt in there to,, like climbing inside a hot oven.
Anyway, some people would consider that pretty HIP I suppose.
So, was i willing to take on a "level of risk" worthy of a stonemaster??
I have thought about it a few times since my sister embarrassed me that day and if i hadn't opened the front door she may not have gotten out of the smoke. She almost died from smoke inhalation and burns. I guess i might have saved her by opening the door. And maybe I shocked the hell out of her when she saw me crawling across the floor. lol. but i doubt that really did much in the way of saving her them.
Two dogs and tow or three cats perished. And the house burnt down to the foundation. I never saw them again after that night. i think it was a baby girl if i remember correctly. I am very happy she lived. she would be about 4o-41 years old now.
SO, was that hip or stupid??
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Jun 21, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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Tacoville Trolley stuck in same spot for weeks?
Hit re-load.
Books
WAITING TO INHALE
Evil Weed turns up at last in Wicked Read by Lucky Licky
Movies
DARK KNIGHT OF THE SOUL
Washed up Christian Bale reported found on shore of Tenaya Lake
Braun's explanation: Stupid currents in Tenaya Creek.
Religion
College of Cardinals incensed over Furor:
Pope claims he did not have to inhale but did it anyway;
Claims miraculous recovery due to medical marijuana supplied by Morgan Freeman, who bought it from Peter.
"Truly, the bread of the Angels flying to close too the ground."--Benny XVI
Music
Payola Charges Laid to Rest:
ZBrown cleared, reinstated on Front Page.
"Rumours don't bother me. It's just one of the best LPs of 1977."--zB
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 21, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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Uncle Martin,
Yep. I was a bonafide dirtbag myself. Living hand to mouth was my choice though. Being a white boy, and a realatively healthy one(i could climb, ski & surf so i must have been)would have put me in a position, at that time, to make, at least, an above average wage(compared to some individuals/demographics who were not so socio-economically blessed)and chip away at the American dream. The thing with some of our generation, was, we didn't want to wait fifty years or so to enjoy the fruits of our labors. And, we didn't want to 'waste' our best years(physically speaking)behind a desk somewhere. We took a look at the prior generation, admired their fortitude perhaps, but wanted it all NOW, and then some. Put a higher value on the temporary pleasures of instant gratification, rather than the perhaps more rewarding and satisfying pot of gold known as a, respectable or at least an attempt at one, career that was a small part, a patch in the fabric that makes up our great country, keeps it rolling and oils the cogs in the machine. Our contribution to society. To social security, etc.!
We abhored a day by day hardworking large segment of the society that who were the ones who actually provided the prosperous landscape for a few that seemed to be slowly slipping into the "I want it now" generation. I can't imagine if the majority of our, or any, generation decided to go climbing, surfing or skiing, etc., full time and and only work when absolutely when necessary and prefer to live off unemployment and continue with the leasure activities fulltime.
Maybe that is where some of our heads were at. And when some metal bird with a gut full of hippy lettuce and other shit(evidently)ran out of steam or simply decided that a handfull of dirtbags who hungout in the immediate vicinity cud use a lil help and inspiration(or perhaps turn for the worst)either providence or a curse(perhaps a mix of both)arranged for it to plop down in a not so nearby lake during one of the few drought years of the last couple decades. A lot of things came together then. For better or worse.
I don't think a handful of selfcenterd/self focused dirtbags who may or may not have cashed in on this 'bonanza' or modern day goldrush is what Licky is focusing on to highlight, attract interest, promote, sell or whatever, his book. It prollie would have been completed long ago, if so. And I agree with much of your assesment in regards to the viability and importance of this "mythos" surrounding the "Valley regulars" and how it could somehow be damaged by certain truthfulness on some of their parts. I believe it was a certain Mr. Cash who a younger generation was drawn to in droves when he decided to bare his soul when he was approached for his last gift to this acheing world of ours and produced, imo, some of his best and most revealing work. Such as his cover of "Hurt" which happens to be one of my favorite songs and I can fully ID with. Perhaps some of these "Valley Regulars" who are now riding their somewhat aging stallions and rather swiftly fading into the limelight latter years, could take notice and bare their collective souls and speak mountains of truth and good to a younger generation that is doing everything they can to imulate them. And, unfortunately, like your handful of buddies who "took the easy way out" are feeling rather disillusioned, empty and hopless at times.
So i agree, not so much with your self percieved one upmanship of the more secure(in your opinion)financialy/socialy "Valley Regulars/stonemasters, what you are claiming secondary to your finacial/social situation and is what drove you vs the "Valley regulars"(cuz many of the ones i new were no better off than i in that respect)that may or may not be true, or could at least be tempered one way or another. I am saying that coming clean, honesty and being up front about how they got to where they are at, was it all worth it and how do they reflect back on this big picture called life, may do much to gain fans and speak volumes to, imo, a new generation that is in many ways no different than the old generation. But, for whom, the once lush and fertile fields of our generation, the very ground they wish they could have walked on i imagine and made a name for themselves, tends to be getting more trampled and an a lil' grayer looking day by day.
Major ramble here. i prollie don't make much sense. I just kinda type as the thoughts surface...prollie should give them more thought, but they are what first comes to mind, FWIW.
edit: And, BTW, welcome back RocSox or Jox or whatever ya use ta call yerself!! ;)
Regarding the burning house, i will prollie delete that/way off topic. But i figured it had nothing to do with being "Hip". But i was wondering if it involved the amount of "Risk" you mentioned, and furthermore claimed, many of the "stonemasters/Valley regulars" didn't possess forone reason or other. Guess i wasfeeling kinda insecure last night or something and saw an opportunity to spray and cover all my sins plus convince a few people that i am not really the big chiken sh#t of a climber that i know i was(compared to the "Valley Regulars i personally new anyway). Lata...
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