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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Split Pants...no worries...just want to make sure it went through. I'll check in tomorrow.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Supermama,
Thanks for your question. I'm not a climber, but several of those items seem to be intended for a different kind of climbing than the type I think Matt did. For instance, there's a ledge that's used when climbing big walls like the ones at Yosemite.
Others can chime in, but I don't see any smoking guns such as an ice axe, crampons, etc.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:39am PT
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Two things that might help narrow down this search (not new, but I want to emphasize them):
Matt’s hotmail account – I’m one of those who think that this might contain useful info, whether about Matt’s plans for July 17th or about what he did on the 14th or 15th.
Tiffany and Ron discussed here earlier how they tried to get access to the account. Apparently Matt had changed the password, and when Tiffany and Ron tried to change the password, Hotmail kept rejecting the correct answer to a simple security question, perhaps because of caps or something; it probably would reject anything if there were a certain number of incorrect tries.
I remember there was one other method short of getting a search warrant or subpoena. On the bottom of the screen with the security questions, there was a box that said something like “these options don’t work for me.” The screen said you could fill out a questionnaire and that you might gain access to the account in 24 hours. I assume this was tried but just wanted to double check.
If that doesn’t work, I hope a search warrant or subpoena can be gotten...
People who had contact with Matt: Supermama has sent Split Pants the names of some people who posted on Facebook that they spoke with Matt in the days before July 17th. Thanks, Supermama! I think a woman and her son spoke with him at the library about a climbing book, and there may have been others. I think someone (Todd Quinn, maybe?) was talking with them. I hope someone can follow up with these people soon.
Just as the conversation with the maintenance worker on July 11 told us that Matt was thinking about doing Banner, Ritter, and the cross-country hike I mentioned earlier (in addition to Clyde Minaret, which he did later in the day on the 11th), these conversations might give us some insight to where he went on the 14th, 15th, and of course on the 17th.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:50am PT
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LAHiker
You are correct concerning the emails. We are "working on it." Thanks for your help.
All,
I am going silent tomorrow so I can finish organizing this stuff and turning it over so it is just updates of new leads etc....If I missed your email I promise to get to it tomorrow:)
When it comes down to it I agree with Cragman/Dean...........Ritter.
The mountains are so vast as we have seen in his stunning pictures.....it is a big, beautiful and dangerous place.
Nite.............
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Aug 31, 2013 - 01:36am PT
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Out of any and all the mistakes Greene may have made, Rosnau said his biggest one was not telling anyone where he was going that day. A mistake Rosnau said he used to make all the time.
“It may not have saved his life, but it would have given his family closure,” Rosnau, a father himself, said. “My sole intent on finding Matthew was to help the family find peace. As I told them, you hope with every tragedy that something good can come from it. Perhaps the good from this could be the affect Matthew’s story has on others. Maybe they’ll think twice.”
thanks Dean. I know I will.
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Todd Quinn
Trad climber
Oceanside, CA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 02:46am PT
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Bugs me not knowing where Matt started his hike. If he walked from his the camp site, Ritter would be too far for a day hike. Everyone assumed he got a ride to the trail. But no driver has come forward. I feel it is important to keep thinking Matt attended to finish a day hike no more.
That has me thinking outside the book and gear. Mammoth Crest Trail has been talked about more than once. Matt could have changed his mind after walking across town to get to the trail head for Ritter? I don't mean to speculate sorry. But Crystal Crag is a beautiful climbing wall. Matt's climb style is represented well there. Matt knew he was solo so maybe he left his helmet behind on purpose and made the decision not to climb but would rather study the wall for his return trip, next year?
We have a caring community here. Wonderful leadership don't ever give up! Seeing Matt's students celebrating his life by wearing green reminds us all he matters! Let's start organizing the next search by matching experience friends together to look for Matt. We can do this!!!
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Jeremy B.
climber
Northern California
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Aug 31, 2013 - 04:09am PT
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I think Cragman et al are on the right track with the Ritter/Banner hypothesis. Matt had been around the area and would have had a good idea of where crampons and axe would be needed. Going with the simplest interpretation of the evidence would suggest a destination with permanent snowfields, but nothing too vertical. Limiting the field to areas a reasonable hike from Agnew or Reds Meadows leaves Iron Mountain and the Ritter Range. Lack of helmet to me suggests Ritter/Banner or Iron Mt, but I am not really familiar with the area.
Now, looking back over the posts, I see TeddyKGBee mentioned that Iron Mountain was searched but other posts suggest it wasn't; the upper portions are marked on Kelly's map as not searched. From what I can tell this wouldn't have been a difficult hike for Matt, but might have worked if he wanted something lighter before his drive out. (He might have also done it on one of the unaccounted-for days.)
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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Klimmer,
I Rx glasses for a living. Went to school for way too long. It makes no sense that Matthew would be wearing over the counter readers. He could take off his glasses, and he would essentially have vision that is equivalent to looking through the readers.
If people are making an effort searching the area where the glasses were found, purely on the basis of the glasses, they are likely off base. It would be more sense to look for someone over 45 or 50 who was hiking in the area who lost their glasses, and might have seen Matthew.
Best wishes all.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:15am PT
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Jim Clipper +100
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:37am PT
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cragman/dean + MILLION [EDIT] ZILLION
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:42am PT
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Aug 31, 2013 - 08:10am PT
Klimmer,
I Rx glasses for a living. Went to school for way too long. It makes no sense that Matthew would be wearing over the counter readers. He could take off his glasses, and he would essentially have vision that is equivalent to looking through the readers.
If people are making an effort searching the area where the glasses were found, purely on the basis of the glasses, they are likely off base. It would be more sense to look for someone over 45 or 50 who was hiking in the area who lost their glasses, and might have seen Matthew.
Best wishes all.
Jim Clipper,
With respect that is Not what I said or meant.
Others have mentioned already (who have actually climbed with him) that he would go from glasses to contacts to glasses during a climbing trip. Then they asked him why? He had to. The system worked for him for unstated reasons.
When he has his contacts in to help his nearsighted vision, so he can see distance, could he then use readers over his contacts to help him see up- close so he wouldn't have to take out his contacts? For convenience.
Several people have said that is exactly what they do. So therefore, is it possible that Matt would do this too at times? I think so.
There is far more to the glasses that I'm alluding to.
Where the images by Alex to the MLPD provided as original copies from the original digital camera with all the original attached metadata? Seems that should be an easy question to answer. Officer Dan or somebody, ... Alex what is the answer?
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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Klimmer
Thank you for your contributions to this thread. By chance have you read some of the most recent posts this morning? Just curious.
The purpose of my post is not to upset you, but we are trying to get this thread back on track and honestly the issue with the glasses I believe is resolved (via people who knew Matt, family and MLPD). Personally having read through every single post on this forum 3 times in the process of compiling information I honestly don't think Matt would have been at the craters IMHO
We need to focus our energy on other items in this thread. I don't want to offend you, but can we please drop the bit on the glasses (of course unless the family thinks otherwise)? I have captured the relevant points concerning the glasses in case we need to reference the information.
Again Klimmer, my intention is not to upset you, but just get this thread back on course. I hope you can understand that and not take offense to my comments. Tx
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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Cragman feels the Ritter area is the most logical and has been willing to search there. I'd agree that Ritter is the highest probability area, too.
If a capable, experienced team has another idea, then head out and have a look. Taking all precautions, of course.
Matt's climbing partners, Jill & John, posted that Matt would not just forget his helmet if he was headed to a climb where it was possible he would need one.
From what i observed from matt if he needed a helmet for a climb and forgot it. he wouldn't do the climb!!! I don't see him forgetting his helmet.
Powerful opinion from someone who lived and climbed with Matt.
I'd be willing to get to the area to search. Hoping to uncover a clue to narrow an area to focus on. Cragman has done enough, it's time for others to look.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Crankster +10
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
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Cragman has done a lot:) He just needs to rest for a while so his body can heal:)
I think it is the Ritter area. I keep coming back to the needle in a haystack. It truly is a vast vast place. The fact that one could be so close to someone that has passed out there and not see them just boggles my mind when I think about it.....(sigh)
I envy those with the ability to go into such a beautiful place. People like me can only view the beauty through the trip reports, pictures or of course from the top of Mammoth Mountain (sigh).
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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Hi everyone, we would like to ask that we all take a moment of silence and not post anything today in Matt's honor...log off, spend time with our family's and loved ones, reflect, get outside! enjoy the holiday and last few days of summer. This is what Matt would want.
Thank you everyone again for everything, Ron and Tiffany.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Aug 31, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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I wouldn't get too hung up on the helmet.
From what I've read about Matt, I feel that I identify well with him. As I mentioned previously, I too have forgotten my helmet on a few occasions. I am usually pretty anal about wearing one, especially if I'm leading or going into the High Sierra where rockfall is pretty much a usual occurrence. All of my friends know how much of a "safety Nazi" I am. However, if I was several miles in on an approach or at the start of the climb and have a short window of time to bang out one last objective, I would probably go for it despite the lack of a helmet.
Just imagine the day when they do find him and people wonder, "why didn't we find him sooner? This should have been so obvious!" "...remember the whole issue of the helmet? Well..."
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onyourleft
climber
Smog Angeles
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Aug 31, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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Way back upthread, someone suggested that the road to Agnew Meadows be thoroughly checked. The suggestion was that Matt might have been the victim of a hit and run collision while walking the road from Minaret Summit to Agnew Meadows in the dark.
I rode my road bike from Mammoth to Reds Meadow and back today. I rode both directions very carefully and slowly, scanning the downhill slopes below the road cut. I saw no trace of Matt.
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