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WBraun
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Duck always flies high above the fog .....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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keep your communications clean ("nothing to hide" for honest person)
so, I suppose people who expose the wrongdoings of corporations are not honest people, eh tioga?
What a fool.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Sep 25, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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PS. In fact, NSA should, hopefully--and eventually--pull the plug on internet trash that's floating around, poisoning minds of new generations of not only "Americans" but entire world. The lewdness, pornography, profanity, advertisements that lure people into health-damaging behaviors, spreading vice for profit, etc, etc.
you should go straighten out that fish on the back of your car....its upside down.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 25, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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So how's life in Russia working out for Paul Revere anyway?
Anyone know?
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Today the NSA director admitted that they lied. Has anyone caught Snowden in a lie yet?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/2/nsa-chief-figures-foiled-terror-plots-misleading/
"The Obama administration’s credibility on intelligence suffered another blow Wednesday as the chief of the National Security Agency admitted that officials put out numbers that vastly overstated the counterterrorism successes of the government’s warrantless bulk collection of all Americans’ phone records.
Pressed by the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at an oversight hearing, Gen. Keith B. Alexander admitted that the number of terrorist plots foiled by the NSA’s huge database of every phone call made in or to America was only one or perhaps two — far smaller than the 54 originally claimed by the administration."
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"Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper denied that the number of plots foiled should be the sole metric by which the success of the program is measured. “I think there’s another metric here that’s very important. … I would call it the ‘peace of mind’ metric.”
OMG! tell me we're not going to lose our peace of mind if the NSA stops recording everything we do. OMG ! NOT PEACE OF MIND!! OH NOESSSSSS!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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What would you say is the single most shocking revelation that Snowden has leaked and why?
(GG): The general revelation that the objective of the NSA is literally the elimination of global privacy: ensuring that every form of human electronic communication - not just those of The Terrorists™ - is collected, stored, analyzed and monitored.
The NSA has so radically misled everyone for so long about its true purpose that revealing its actual institutional function was shocking to many, many people, and is the key context for understanding these other specific revelations.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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regarding this "fake scandal" jhedge keeps referring to:
it's good to know that if the nsa had started a secret physical mail tracking and logging database, [making sure that every time you sent a christmas package to aunt betty, the nsa would know and indefinitely keep it on file that you had sent a package of 11" X 13" X 6"H to Mrs. Beatrice Arbuckle of Springfield, USA on Dec. 20, 1984] that this too would have its defenders. /s
'cause in case there are those who haven't put two and two together, yet, the above isn't an exaggerated metaphor. rather, it is exactly equivalent to the minimum of what has been set up. the only difference between the above example and existing reality is one is physical and the other is electronic.
a few of the people on this thread make me wonder if people are naive, confused about how technology and the internet work, just so afraid that they are now demanding big brother, or whether they are paid government shills.
'cause regarding the latter, there are a few of you, who if you aren't being paid, should really look into how you might request a paycheque from uncle sam inc.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Exaggerated risks
"It might be helpful to consider something called the banana equivalent dose (BED). This is a term used in physics to measure the amount of radiation emitted by a banana. It is a number popular with people who think the dangers of radiation are exaggerated, and who use it to make the point that almost everything is radioactive. A dental x-ray has a BED of 50; serious radiation poisoning takes a BED of 20m; sleeping next to someone for one night has a BED of 0.5 and living within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant for a year has a BED of 0.9.
Since 9/11, 53 people have been killed by terrorists in the UK. Every one of those deaths is tragic. So is every one of the 26,805 deaths to have occurred on Britain's roads between 2002 and 2012 inclusive, an average of 6.67 deaths a day. Let's call that the SDRD, standard daily road deaths. The terrorist toll for 12 years comes to 0.0121 SDRD. This means that 12 years of terrorism has killed as many people in the UK as eight days on our roads.
The security establishment will immediately reply that this figure leaves out deaths of terrorism victims abroad and the lives saved by its secret actions, none of which can be made known without jeopardising current and future operations.
Is that enough of a justification for the scale and extent of what is happening to our privacy? Is the current supervisory regime – which involves senior judges inspecting GCHQ's actions, "within the circle of secrecy", and issuing a secret report – adequate to the scale of the state's powers?
I'd repeat the point that as digital technology, and the ability to enact surveillance through technology, expands its remit, those powers are increasing almost by the day.
In the UK we have a strange sleepy indifference to questions of surveillance and privacy. "The innocent have nothing to fear," says William Hague. But who gets to define who is innocent? Who gets to say what is contradictory to the "economic wellbeing" of the UK? If the innocent have nothing to fear, why is the state reading so many of our emails, and sucking up so much metadata from our phones and computers, under the umbrella of "sigint development"?
Police state
People misunderstand what a police state is. It isn't a country where the police strut around in jackboots; it's a country where the police can do anything they like. Similarly, a security state is one in which the security establishment can do anything it likes.
We are right on the verge of being an entirely new kind of human society, one involving an unprecedented penetration by the state into areas which have always been regarded as private. Do we agree to that? If we don't, this is the last chance to stop it happening. Our rulers will say what all rulers everywhere have always said: that their intentions are good, and we can trust them. They want that to be a sufficient guarantee.
My proposals
There's no need for us to advance any further down this dark road. Here are two specific proposals. The first is that the commissioners who supervise GCHQ include, alongside the senior judges who currently do the work, at least one or two public figures who are publicly known for their advocacy of human rights and government openness. The "circle of secrecy" needs to include some people who are known for not being all that keen on the idea of secrecy.
My second proposal is for a digital bill of rights. The most important proviso on the bill would be that digital surveillance must meet the same degree of explicit targeting as that used in interception of mail and landlines. No more "one end overseas" and "sigint development" loopholes to allow the mass interception of communications. There can be no default assumption that the state is allowed access to our digital life.
As the second most senior judge in the country, Lord Hoffmann, said in 2004 about a previous version of our anti-terrorism laws: "The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws like these. That is the true measure of what terrorism may achieve.""
John Lanchester in The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/edward-snowden-files-john-lanchester
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WBraun
climber
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All US judges including the Supreme Court are under continuous NSA surveillance for blackmail.
US Federal Judge John Roll was shot dead a few days after he issued major court ruling against Obama and US gov’t.
Previously, federal judges have had family members attacked and been threatened, but starting the actual killing of US Federal Judges was an important message to all US judges, helping convince US Chief Justice Roberts to rule in favour of Obamacare.
Bribing, extorting, intimidating US judges is at the very centre of Americans losing all their rights, but media deflect onto the less-important Obama or Bush or Congress.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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WBraun
climber
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Putinator just called me on the telephone and gave answer.
He said; "Do not pay attention to politards on supertopo"
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 14, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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Comon Riley are you blind? Turn off the TV man! There is still hope for you...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 24, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
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NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls
As long as it was only the European people who had their calls monitored, the authorities of European nations were not overly enthusiastic to protect anyone from the spying, but now that the top leaders see that they themselves have had their calls monitored by the NSA, they are starting to get the motivation to do something, even Merkel in Germany. Thank God!
Are American products still NSA-enhanced for spying? Are we stupid to buy American technology? American mobil phones? American PCs? Are American companies still deceiving us customers?
I still want to buy Microsoft Surface Pro - should I? Will Microsoft and the Surface Pro deceive me as a customer and give the NSA access to everything I do on the pc?
I've got an Acer stationary pc at the moment. Is the NSA already there? (I guess so)
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 24, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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If you can split the raw IP traffic at various major trunks you don't really need much "hidden" on the clients. You'd ideally just need the local MAC address of the client to create a decent filter and that's about it.
So as long as you're randomly spoofing your MAC address and constantly rotating from one free wifi spot to the next (with no cameras)... you're good!
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts
I like how all the news sources report this as though it was absolute truth.
Snowden may be completely bullshiting everybody with fake documents.
Releasing these "facts" ever so slowly, getting more attention than if they were all released all at once. It's obvious that he's trying to get as much attention as possible, and inflict as much damage on the Obama administration as possible.
This isn't about being a whistle blower...the dude's a traitor, probably working for the Kochs.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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Hahahaha - you guys got suckered into believing in the most embarrassing fake scandal in recent US history.
Indeed, you and Merkel must be laughing uproariously just about now.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:06am PT
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It is important to note that Snowden is not the one who is making the decisions about release of information.
It is Glenn Greenwald.
Just as he said that he would, he is timing the release of information so as to cause the maximal amount of damage to the gov't of the US. And he has caused damage. I heard that opinion last night by a panel consisting of a lead FBI agent, the former Ambassador to Pakistan, and the Lead So Cal attorney for the ACLU, who all agreed on this point.
That would seem to me to be an act of war, by a traitor.
If he was simply interested in "getting the information out", He'd have dumped it all out, but he is using it for maximal effect and damage to the country.
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