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monolith
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Sep 18, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
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All you have to do is place a paper along the path of the top of the tail in the CGI version. You get two frames, thus a straight line.
The pentagon is 77 feet high, the top of the tail is 44 feet off the ground with the landing gear down.
Yet, the straight line intersects the top of the pentagon at the crash point. LOL!
Just the tail section alone is 44ft
Classic Truther BS. The top of the tail is 44 feet off the ground with the landing gear down, as in the height required for hanger entry clearance.
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WBraun
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
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I'm gonna email Cheney.
He's gonna gimme the goods.
I'll get that smoking gun now fer sure.
You just wait'n see fellas .....
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 19, 2011 - 01:19am PT
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All you have to do is place a paper along the path of the top of the tail in the CGI version. You get two frames, thus a straight line.
The pentagon is 77 feet high, the top of the tail is 44 feet off the ground with the landing gear down.
Yet, the straight line intersects the top of the pentagon at the crash point. LOL!
Just the tail section alone is 44ft
Classic Truther BS. The top of the tail is 44 feet off the ground with the landing gear down, as in the height required for hanger entry clearance.
I can agree with you that the CGI is not perfect, but it is far more accurate than the very small craft or whatever it is racing just above the ground in the Pentagon security camera. That can not be a 757 caught in the footage of the Pentagon security camera. Not even close to the size of a 757.
Also your arguement that the 44 ft. is hangar height for the 757 with landing gears down is really, really lame.
The engines of the 757 hang below the wings. Since there were no marks left in "The Pentalawn" by either massive engines hanging far below the wings of the fairly massive 757, we can assume it had to be flying above the ground without the engines coming into contact with the lawns of the Pentagon. How much higher? 1 foot? 2 feet? 3 feet? You're back up to 44 ft and probably more than likely even higher than that.
The unbelievable miracles and violations of the laws of physics that occurred that day on 9-11. And then to top it off the fighter jet flying abilities of the Terrorist pilot who couldn't even fly a Cessna, yet he manages somehow to fly a commercial 757 into the Pentagon square into the only reinforced portion of the Pentagon, while flying impossible ground effect and skimming just above the ground for a great distance so that there isn't even a scratch on the Pentalawn.
It's easier to believe in the Tooth-fairy than the OCT as published by the 9-11 Commission Report.
From this report:
These illustrations:
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raymond phule
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:18am PT
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The evidence that we now know is that a large commercial like aircraft approached the Pentagon North of the Citgo Gas Station and flew just over the Pentagon without striking the Pentagon.
So a lot of people see a low flying plane flying close to the ground in the direction of pentagon but no one sees a low flying airplane flying away from pentagon after something crashed into pentagon?
I guess that no one in Washington looked in the direction of pentagon when they heard a loud noise from pentagon.
Once again. You have someone doing a lot of works with this operation. Planting explosives, flying missiles etc. They also obvious do things that could very easily clearly prove that something fishy was going on. Have a low flying plane over washington, detonating bombs in wtc 7 before anything hit wtc 7 etc. Yes, that make much sense.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 19, 2011 - 08:59am PT
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Raymond,
You're being dishonest. We have posted the above video evidence many times. The complete story is very well known now with very reliable eye-witness testimony. And separate eyewitnesses who didn't know one another gave the same exact testimony from different vantage points.
Eyewitnesses did see a jet overfly the Pentagon. There are jets near the Pentagon all the time. What is that International Airport right near the Pentagon called again? It wouldn't be too out of the ordinary to see a massive jet near the Pentagon.
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raymond phule
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Sep 19, 2011 - 09:23am PT
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Eyewitnesses did see a jet overfly the Pentagon. There are jets near the Pentagon all the time. What is that International Airport right near the Pentagon called again? It wouldn't be too out of the ordinary to see a massive jet near the Pentagon.
What can I say? In regard to your pic I have to say to you that Pentagon is not equal to a citgo gas station. Do you understand that?
Do you have an eyewitness account of someone seeing an airplane flying low over pentagon (note not citgo gas station).
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monolith
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Sep 19, 2011 - 09:46am PT
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Hilarious Klimmer, the two pentagon sec cameras and the hotel security cameras did not record the 'flyover'.
And none of the Citgo witnesses report a flyover. A few just disagree with the path, while other Citgo witnesses agree with the accepted path. Perfectly understandable for people recounting a chaotic event years before.
None of the commuters on the heavy morning commute only a few hundred yards from the building report a flyover, or two low flying aircraft.
Flyover debunked by Truthers
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Sep 19, 2011 - 10:01am PT
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National Airport is nearby.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 19, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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Mono's article discusses a "theory" about a flyover--fair enough.
Since Mono would agree that a Boeing hit the Pentagon, then surely his logic would tell him that LOCAL (meaning very familiar with directions from their regular gas station) accounts of where the Boeing flew over the Citgo were obviously CORRECT.
See Mono, sometimes even you can follow your own logic...
...did you get what I said above?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 19, 2011 - 02:04pm PT
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Very clearly the evidence shows that a large aircraft flew low and slow North of the Citgo gas station and could not have made the damage relating to the OCT to the Pentagon and then flew over the Pentagon. The evidence also shows that something did come very low and fast along the OCT path that was much smaller in size that did make the much smaller damage to the Pentagon and much less damage than a 757 would have done. Both events happened simultaneously or mere moments apart.
The black-box data released by FOIA confirms that the flight path was much higher than the OCT can account for, but fits very well with the over-flight path of the craft North of the Citgo Gas station.
Witnesses saw an aircraft over fly the Pentagon.
We know no calls made from flight 77 made contact with anyone = 0 minutes. They lied about the phone calls. This came out in the evidence in court and the FBI has had to admit this.
Survivors came out of the Pentagon hole right after the impact and were witnessed to the fact that there was nothing there that indicates a jet slammed into the Pentagon. She came through that hole with her baby. They tried to get her to change her story by telling her what to say. They have threatened her.
The investigation was a sham. They did not follow NTSB rules and regulations for aviation crashes and investigations. No hard evidence of wreckage at the Pentagon has been linked to AA Flight 77 via serial numbers on any parts. They will not release this data.
Many security videos of the Pentagon impact were confiscated. There have been numerous FOIA requests to release them. They will not release them. Why? What are they covering up? What are they hiding?
The cover up goes on and on . . . What a load of USDA 100% Bovine Dung.
See Jesse Ventura’s great show on 9-11: The Pentagon. He goes into and goes over most of this information.
http://thepentacon.com/
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/getnsa.html
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
The following 3 films you can watch right there on their homepage:
Flight Of American 77
American 77 Flight Path version2 - In 3D
Interview with LtCol. Jeff Latas
Former USAF Accident Investigation President
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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Lookey there...a Boeing tail...
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monolith
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 02:27pm PT
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Mojede,most of the 'local's at the Citgo agree with the common accepted flight path.
Chaotic events recalled years later will always reveal 'anomalies'. Exploit them as much as you can, cuz that's all you have left.
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 02:35pm PT
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Witnesses saw an aircraft over fly the Pentagon.
So I have your word klimmer? Lol. I guess that you are not going to show me any details about these witnesses.
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raymond phule
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Sep 19, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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Klimmer you are a teacher. Is is ok for your students to answer questions in the following ways.
The answer can be found in the book xxx.
The answer can be found on the internet.
The answer can be found in the following 2 hours of youtube videos.
I am just curious because it seems that you are using that tactic most of the time. You rarely answer questions or make an argument your self. Instead you just link to many long youtube videos and sometimes general large internet sites without even showing where the information is located.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
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Mono--you are trying to explain why an observation from a trained officer is bunk, this doesn't follow.
What you said that follows is that most of the locals there were either confused or mistaken.
You trust the confused, I trust the calm and trained--pretty simple, really.
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monolith
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:14pm PT
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The trained police officer also points in the wrong direction when asked to point to the knocked down poles. haha!
Most of the locals agree with the standard accepted route. CIT only got a few to point north and won't release their raw footage of the others.
You are very gullible, Mojede.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:36pm PT
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Klimmer would like us to believe that he is modest high school science teacher by the name of Glenn Simpson.
But who is "Glenn Simpson" really?
What is his real agenda?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
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Well sh#t, if Mr. Illuminati is asking "Who is Klimmer?" then we have a genuine mystery on our hands.
BTW, you're swine flu vaccine didn't work so hot.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 19, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
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So, to sum it up, the US government:
1 - hijacked an American Airlines Jet
2 - killed off the crew and passengers
3 - used voice-morphing technology that exactly mimics the voices of those passengers and made some phone calls to their families saying they were on a hijacked jet
3b - bribed the seatphone operators to say they had received these calls
4 - flew the jet over the pentagon
5 - launched a missile that hit at the same time as the jet flew over and the same location (one of those jet-avoiding missiles)
6 - bribed the local air traffic controllers to say that the jet disappeared
7 - hurried down the the pentagon after the impact to spread DNA from the missing passengers and airplane parts around
8 - bribed all the witnesses who saw the missile to say they saw a jet explode.
9 - scurried around collecting all video and photos
10 - bribed first responders to who saw the FBI spreading airplane and body parts around
11 - bribed a few hundred structural engineers, explosive engineers, civil engineers to write reports supporting the government's version
12 - and had this perfectly timed with 3 other elaborate but very different and successful inside plots, all of which are still fooling most of America. Damn fools, those believers.
What did I miss? Do I get a prize?
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