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john hansen
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Mar 30, 2011 - 01:10am PT
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Radical, it is amazing,, I said a week or so ago. It just seems that this company is so insulated from the world. So many resources available..
With a a couple hundred million bucks and a free hand it seems they could do much better on the logistical end of this thing.
It took them over a week to get firetrucks on site. It is incredible that the goverment would not intervene as soon as it became apparent there were problems. Being in the construction field it just seems so obvious to mobilize all of the available help as soon as possible, no matter what the initial cost.
Have the American military bring in big portable pumps and generators with their biggest helicopters. Get all the Bulldozer's with in 30 miles to clear a road from the tsunami affected area's to the reactor's.
And at the very least ,hire a caterer for those crews.You would think that just regular folks would be setting up sites just outside the evacuation zone to make meals for delivery to the workers. After almost three weeks you would hope they could at least get meals to the site.
If you had to , you could build a lead lined van to deliver food in a few hours.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 30, 2011 - 01:19am PT
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Well, this is a triple disaster. Did the US do any better in New Orleans in 1995, responding to just one disaster? If what happened in Japan had happened in California instead, would the US be doing any better?
With the exception of power for cooling the reactors, and the resulting overheating, it appears that the Japanese were well prepared for what happened, which is 90% of preparing for any disaster. Which is why the death toll is likely 20,000 - 30,000, instead of ten or twenty times that.
It appears that the response to the earthquake and tsunami could have been and be brisker. The problems with the reactors are in a somewhat different league. Do we really have enough information to reasonably judge, given that the response to any disaster of this magnitude takes time to really develop momentum? The estimate is that rebuilding may cost $300 billion.
It's easy to sit on our davenports, sofas, ottomans, chesterfields and other comfortable things, and pontificate. Who here has made a donation to the Red Cross, to help?
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john hansen
climber
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Mar 30, 2011 - 01:47am PT
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Even here on the remote, Big Island in Hawaii, I could have 10 or 20 excavator's working within the next few days if there was an emergency like this. They should have all possible resource's
Money should not be an issue in such a national disaster.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 30, 2011 - 01:49am PT
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hey there say, mighty hiker... as to this helpful note:
Who here has made a donation to the Red Cross, to help?
oh my... i can't make a donation now, as i have been entrusted with a a meager sum, just to barely pay my rent, and that many times leaves out food for me...
but a gal, i know, from boston, who has seen her daily hard chores and has a meager amount more than me, well she HAS sent a bit to the red cross, and she got a telephone hug from me...
just a simple gal, she is, and she only knows that folks are hurting,she also, was concerned if our friends were alive...
but i know, when i can, i hope to help folks in some ways, too...
(**she put the donation as to being from both of us, as i always encourage her to have a good day--and it should NOT have been so, it was her caring heart, only, and her hard earned money)... she was the little hero, there... :)
:)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Mar 30, 2011 - 02:42am PT
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Well, this is a triple disaster. Did the US do any better in New Orleans in 1995, responding to just one disaster? If what happened in Japan had happened in California instead, would the US be doing any better?
In its initial response to the Tsunami, Japan did better. But three weeks into the Orleans disaster, the U.S. was doing better. Also, if that was a nuke plant in California or Louisiana, the U.S. would be on it. As it is, the meltdown is in Japan and you get the sense that American (and European) experts have a better handle on what is going on and what needs to be done than the Japanese.
It can take time for them to get their act together, but its been THREE WEEKS now. Everything that they said that would not happen as happened, it it keeps getting worse.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 30, 2011 - 03:38am PT
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What's the best case scenario for dealing with this nuke plant over the next 100 years? It's messed up and contaminated. What will they have to do to make that safe and contained?
What's the worst case scenario of the same?
What are the chances for either?
Even if there's no full meltdown, it boggles my mind what it would take to wrap this up
PEace
Karl
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 30, 2011 - 03:55am PT
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Most people who are donating are doing so to the Red Cross on behalf of the human tsunami victims.
There is also a site where you can donate to Greatergood.org to supply food to the animals left behind by the tsunami evacuees and the pets that somehow managed to survive when their owners did not. Japanese veterinarians and kennels are rounding up and taking care of these animals but need money for food and medicine too.
https://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/store/item.do?siteId=310&itemId=44084&adId=69839&placementId=184573&origin=
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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Mar 30, 2011 - 09:21am PT
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Here's another organization to help the animals http://jears.org/ to which I have donated.
You can follow them on facebook; they are posting tons of photos and videos and nice stories and sad stories and so on.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 30, 2011 - 11:13am PT
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Another end of day in Japan but I believe a big conceptual break through was made today even though the technical problems remain daunting.
The head of Tepco has been hospitalized for high blood pressure and that was the face saving opening that the Japanese prime minister needed to assume control of the situation. Almost simultaneously he announced that "The Japanese and US governments are working together to tackle trouble at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
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Four joint Japanese and American working groups have been formed which will be housed in the prime minister's official residence. Members include Japanese cabinet members and the head of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Also noteworthy today was the arrival of the CEO of nuclear power in France. Speaking to an NHK reporter on her arrival at Narita Airport, Anne Lauvergeon pledged full cooperation. She brought along a team of experts, the first such group to arrive from France since the outbreak of the incident.
Not coincidentally, Tepco announced today that due to the corrosion caused by seawater, the four damaged reactors at Daichi will never be used again. Up until today they were euphemistically talking about repairing them. Probably the Japanese government's threat to nationalize the company had something to do with that.
Who knows? This may be the beginning of post war Japanese politicians with backbone. Among other points, this crisis has driven home the need for strong political leadership in Japan when disaster strikes, something that has been shunned since WWII. The Japanese Self Defense Forces which have often been maligned in Japan as useless have also proved their worth in tsunami relief. With the U.S., France, and the International Atomic Energy Commission offering advice and aid, I would say that the post WWII era is officially over for Japan.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 30, 2011 - 01:30pm PT
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The investment that every single country in the world combined is making per year for low-carbon energy technology is less than the cost than this one accident will probably cost Japan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12895157
depending on how you figure costs and for how long
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 30, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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^^^To bad we lost rrrAdam^^^
Now we can talk about lemmings and sheep instead. Maybe Klimmer can make a bad 3d pic.
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MisterAnswers
Social climber
Ark on the Moon
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Mar 30, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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MisterAnswers is back!
My Klimmer alert went off on this thread a few days ago, but in fact his contributions were not so nutty.
But, in the process of reading through this thread I have discovered a Question!
Question: Does Radical have a substance abuse problem or is he off his meds?
Answer: Don't know. This is a tough one. Sometimes he seems normal (by ST standards), sometimes he is a complete raving idiot whose posts are impossible to read. Either explanation could work. He claims to be a doctor (please Dog, let this not be true) and if that is true he no doubt has access to lots of interesting drugs. I'll give a tentative answer that he has a substance abuse problem.
The only thing that is certainly true is his contributions to this thread drag it down, down, down. Let's vote him off the thread! Everyone can play. Post "radical: on" or "radical: off".
Maybe if he goes away, some of the people who have information to add to the thread will come back (Mr Radical, note that they all left) and join JanfromJapan.
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WBraun
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Mar 30, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
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The only thing dragging down this thread and forum is an anonymous dumbshit like you who only wants to start a flame war.
Fuk off tool ....
Plus you're so stupid you can't even read.
Riley never said he's a doctor dumbshit!
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MisterAnswers
Social climber
Ark on the Moon
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Mar 30, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
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I can shorten WBraun's response:
Radical: on
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 30, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
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rrrAdam: On
MisterAnswers: Witch hunts are done in separate threads. Consult with Jim Brennan since he's got the protocol down.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 30, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
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Hawkye..
Are we done again?
You slink away again
Like I told you two weeks ago....anytime ...
I fight everyday for people....and I would love to fight you
so your manhood is really threatened huh?
i point out that you have PMS/PTSD symptoms and you want to fight? i hate it when i get sh#t on my hands so even bitch slappin you is out of the question.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 30, 2011 - 05:14pm PT
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gee thanks for the advice rokjox!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 30, 2011 - 05:40pm PT
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Would love to keep sorta on the topic and not on each other.
This seems to happen with a sensitive topic threatens our real sense of the world and our safety. We don't want to come to terms with the reality that we live around industries that could easily poison us with tortuous sickness or make miles of land uninhabitable for 20,000 years.
and I agree that RRradam was certainly downplaying the real costs and hazards, in whatever technical terms he was capable of doing, they didn't match the plain realities of the situation.
When people say almost nobody died at 3 mile Island and a handful at Chernobyl, that's just happy talk like saying cigarette smoke isn't really proved to cause cancer, it's just a coinkydink that so many smokers die.
Personally, I can understand these happy talk pronouncements that "yeah we found Plutonium in your back yard but in such minute quantities there's no immediate health hazard" It's like saying, "You just fell off the top of El Cap but there's no danger for several thousand feet, just nice soft air!" Authorities say it because of wishful thinking, because people close to the plant don't want to think they're screwed yet and neither does the government
We need to get real or we'll all suffer that last 10 feet of the fall someday, the part where you hit reality
Peace
Karl
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Mar 30, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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It was nice while it lasted, but this thread is in full meltdown mode now.
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