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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 20, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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You are right Fort,I should not expect any of them to click a link.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Greenhouse gasses ain't the only thing. Transportation is the major source of nearly every air pollutant of concern. I blame poor community planning as well as the automobile/petroleum industry.
But what can the government do? They will just slow down our march to the end of times... no point in fighting it... might as well surrender to entropy now... humans are doomed regardless, unless we all repent... only divine intervention can save us from ourselves...
The effects of [air quality] laws have been very positive. In the United States between 1970 and 2006, citizens enjoyed the following reductions in annual pollution emissions:[2]
carbon monoxide emissions fell from 197 million tons to 89 million tons
nitrogen oxide emissions fell from 27 million tons to 19 million tons
sulfur dioxide emissions fell from 31 million tons to 15 million tons
particulate emissions fell by 80%
lead emissions fell by more than 98%
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
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Not to mention decades-long active lobbying AGAINST efficient mass transportation by the automotive and petroleum industries...
yep, I meant auto/petroleum industries inclusive... all their morally corrupt, profit motivated crimes against humanity.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 20, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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"Fking eco-freak morons. The lot of you."
Coming from a selfish ,on the dole ,x sailor.
Thanks,and I do appreciate it.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 20, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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And you have just figured out ,people are deflecting you?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
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Isn't it odd how well all the physics based climate models can match the data... yet nobody can explain the trends. Why don't the climate scientists just EXPLAIN the relevant forcing mechanisms in a way complete idiots can understand, instead of using all those complicated equations and stuff...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
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Just some more fear mongering...
Vicious Global Warming Feedback Loop Worse Than Feared
Vicious cycle: amount of warming involved in Arctic ice loss, now amounts to roughly one-quarter of all warming
Melting Arctic sea ice (Photo: Ian Joughin / Source: LiveScience)
"That is big – unexpectedly big," said the study's lead author Ian Eisenman, a climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California, on the rate of loss. "Arctic sea ice retreat has been an important player in the global warming that we've observed during recent decades."
And Mark Flanner, a climate researcher at the University of Michigan, told the New Scientist that the study "reaffirms that albedo feedback is a powerful amplifier of climate change, maybe even more so than is simulated by the current crop of climate models."
The report is the first to use satellite measurements dating back to 1979 to gauge decreasing sunlight reflection in the region.
The amount of Arctic warming caused by this phenomenon now amounts to roughly one-quarter of the total warming caused by the greenhouse effect, said the researchers.
Ahhhh, what do those clowns at Scripps know? Pure jibberish, right?
The Arctic sea ice retreat has been one of the most dramatic climate changes in recent decades. Nearly 50 years ago it was predicted that a darkening of the Arctic associated with disappearing ice would be a consequence of global warming. Using satellite measurements, this analysis directly quantifies how much the Arctic, as viewed from space, has darkened in response to the recent sea ice retreat. We find that this decline has caused 6.4 ± 0.9 W/m2 of radiative heating since 1979, considerably larger than expectations from models and recent less direct estimates. Averaged globally, this albedo change is equivalent to 25% of the direct forcing from CO2 during the past 30 years.
Hey Sketch, what is a feedback loop?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 20, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
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Hey just yesterday he was complaining about why nobody did anything to prevent the drought,when scientists have predicted it.
I mean what desperate situation is going to happen today,or later to send the drama chef off in his name calling tirades?
I will say it is comedy.
Continue.
And I will say ,I really like talking about alternative energy and it's progression,because I KNOW you deniers just blow a gasket at the thought.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
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Why don't the climate scientists just EXPLAIN the relevant forcing mechanisms in a way complete idiots can understand, instead of using all those complicated equations and stuff...
They do. But it doesn't matter.
link: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math
Three simple numbers that add up to global catastrophe - and that make clear who the real enemy is
http://www.billmckibben.com/
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 20, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Yeah, after the fact and after many incidents of "filtering & smoothing" the observed data in order to make it all... MATCH.
Says the champion data cherry-picker...
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 20, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
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Yeah, after the fact and after many incidents of "filtering & smoothing" the observed data in order to make it all... MATCH.
I seem to smell dick when Napoleon spews his ignorance. Anyone else smell it?
That is an ad hom. He does little else.
You idiot. How do you think models are designed? If you have a long dataset, you enter the physics, run it, and see how well it fits with history. That is the way that we model everything. Depositional models, bedforms, even geophysics. If it doesn't follow the data, something is usually missing. In weather, typically in the physics. I have a good friend who writes weather models.
If it does a poor job, then you figure out what is missing, or what should be missing. The climate dataset is pretty long, so it is easier to check with historical observations. When you see a model run that begins a hundred years ago, that is what is going on.
How do you think models are designed?
Oh right. You hate scientists and scientism. Not good if you are debating scientists on their turf. You can't play in this playground, so you left. You can only shout curses from the bleachers. An embarrassment. Rick, you have this guy on your team? Geez! What an asset!
If you think models are junk, then I assume that you have never listened to a weather forecast. I'll bet that you do watch "the weather." That would make you a hypocrite and a liar, not to mention that smell.
I hope I captured the childish vomit that we see Napoleon spouting 24 hours per day. No lie. Click on his forum posts and see how long he spends on this thread every day. I am sometimes so far out in the field that I don't have an internet connection when working.
I was gone for a while, came back, and this conversation hadn't changed one bit. It is a stagnant conversation that has been ruined by the lack of mutual respect with which we would treat each other if face to face.
Are you a drunk, Napoleon? I'm sorry if you are, but were you a MEAN drunk?
Regardless, Bishop can be really nice in the winter. I used to ride my bike to the Milks almost daily. You can do all kinds of outdoor stuff in Bishop. I wouldn't spend all day inside if I lived there.
Just a guess as to which gears have come loose in Napoleon's brain.....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
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See.... just more deflection.
No answer because YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.
 The Chief
OK The Chief, don't deflect this, a direct question asked about your last comment where you say:
Yeah, after the fact and after many incidents of "filtering & smoothing" the observed data in order to make it all... MATCH.
Please show us how the observed data would not match without said "filtering and smoothing."
You seem to know what you're talking about here, so please, no deflection when backing up your statement.
We are waiting.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:06pm PT
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You have been deflecting for over three weeks now.
You nor anyone else here has yet to answer the question that both RICK S and myself presented here over three weeks ago.....
Show us what was the "forcing" mechanism that was caused the first temp spike from 1910-1945.
Not one of you can do that ... not one.
Ah, stfu you lying, weasely bag of dog chowder...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Base by the standards of sciemtific evolution you propose to validate CAGW theory we should still br operating with the contraction theory of geology instead of plate techtonics. At some point a theory that fails the tests of observations must be abandoned rather than adjusting and reinterpreting data to fit the failures of theory, no? Have you done any more thinking about deep disposal of biomass into depleted FF formations? Got to catch the second leg of flight to the northland.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
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I spend more time "outside" each day, then you spend "outside" daily on that OIL DRILLING RIG of yours BASE.... FACT!
Wow. You really are a liar. This is a small rig...no big trailer on this one. All I get is a small dark place to use my microscope.
On these wells, I'm doing the wellsite work. I'm the guy who says if it is a well or a dry hole. I recently worked on one that will keep the entire taco in gasoline for a loooooong time. It is a really cool job doing field work.
I also smell dick again. Go brush your teeth.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
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What and where are the errors in the data, rick?
third request
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:42pm PT
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Rick. Contraction? Are you talking about geosynclinal theory? That theory was replaced by plate tectonics, a very simple idea that works well. Geosynclinal theory was a mess, and is now a footnote.
How would my criteria prevent a good new theory from being born?
Look. This isn't about personalities. It isn't about economics or political viewpoints, either. It is a simple question that does have implications for those other disciplines, but it is really simple:
We have been emitting so much CO2 since the industrial revolution that the CO2 concentration is going up. We already know that greenhouse gasses currently keep the planet from going into a deep freeze, so is this rising CO2 level going to cause the planet to warm?
That is it. Everything else does not affect science. Either the science is right or not. I've posted my view that we will never stop using fossil fuels. I've posted that I think we are screwed if the climate science is correct. Not extinction by a long shot. We just might find Saskatchewan a suitable place to grow corn.
A lot of people are working on this problem. If climate is changing, it has a lot of implications. No way will it be an exterminating event. It will be an experiment in human geography. Some lands will become deserts. Possibly some deserts will become rainforests. It will cause a lot of problems.
I've said it many times. This has happened before. Just study up on your historical geology and pay attention to what was going on in the late Jurassic and Cretaceous. It happened naturally then. The rock record from this time is rich, and one reason is that sea level was much, much, higher. The entire interior of North America was split into two terrestrial land masses with the Interior Seaway in place. The flatirons and Eldorado Canyon's sandstones were deposited during this time. I did my field work in the Canyon City Embayment in school. Cool geology there.
Napoleon actually posted a paleo CO2 level chart of the planet, not knowing that the big rise in the late Mesozoic caused a massive hothouse event.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 20, 2014 - 11:48pm PT
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One of the big problems with this entire climate change topic is that certain political ideologies are incompatible with any sort of global cooperation. It is as if these people think that we will be turning over our nation to world wide dominance.
The science just is what it is. Nature doesn't know politics. It just is, and the study of it is fascinating.
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