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dirtbag
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:19am PT
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Weschrist... You are full of shet. Like you expect the rest of the Billions of humans to live like a Caveman
Where does he say this?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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Yes i think it wise to conserve water when your living in the desert, Ed. That's why i have not planted a single square foot of my 130 acres with any species of plant, foreign or domestic. Of course i have a drip system to maintain the plentiful fruit and shade trees and the artfully placed and maintained native plant species forming the little oasis in the immediate vicinity of the residence. As for low flow fixtures, i've been installing them in all homes i've built, remodeled, or inhabited for nearly twenty years now.Way, way ahead of you loons in the conservation department for a very long time.
In the event that your tap runs dry your welcome to slake your thirst from my 350' 60 gpm well, out here in the high desert. Although we are welcoming, i cannot attest to the heavily armed neighbors that line my desert canyon road at half mile intervals. So it might be wise to obscure the progressive and enviro fanatic stickers undoubtedly festooning your vehicle. I mean, you have a practical option in the event your state becomes uninhabitable because of gross incompetence and loonish behaviors.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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Lol chief.
He did not say YOU should live in a cave. He is stating what he is voluntarily doing.
You can read, can't you?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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You're just a god damned liar chief. Instead of manning up and admitting you misquoted someone you bear down and lie.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:52am PT
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Ed,
This is not about science. It is about political ideology. Every now and then it slips through, but you are no more going to change these minds than you would teaching evolution to Pat Robertson:
through decreased personal freedoms in favor of the welfare of the "collective", and properly pricing use of the atmosphere by punitive taxation education,
See?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:00am PT
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Rick said,
On another note Base; wouldn't it be far more effective to macerate and inject, that portion of the population religious enough about climate change to have the courage to volunteer, down the injection wells rather than wacking the forests then biociding and burying them, like you suggested a few days back?
Actually, I have been thinking about a way to reduce the volume of the organic carbon. Of course you don't cut down the rain forest. What we could do is take agricultural waste...meaning every thing but the grain, and somehow remove it from the carbon cycle.
It would have to be practical. I feel that carbon sequestration at the power plant stack will be too expensive.
The goal is to sequester excess carbon in the carbon cycle. The best way to do this..I'm not sure.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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Prove it WADE.
fvck off Blowhard. You're proving it every post.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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"The goal is to sequester excess carbon in the carbon cycle. The best way to do this..I'm not sure."
Man,you,I or anyone who finds a realistic answer to that is going to be a superhero.
And a rich one ,at that!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/home/geothermal-energy
BASE,I did not think burying carbon as you suggested earlier,was a bad idea.A form of it was being tested,where they were capturing CO2 from biomass and pumping it in geothermal wells.
I can not find the link yet.
But ,hey ,if that could work,you were not far off.
And ,yes ,Rick of course I am in favor of sequestering CO2 temporarily.
Have you ever heard of "profitable hardwood"?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:32am PT
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Yes Base, now your really getting with the picture. Why in the hell do we need surface landfills when we have all these empty carbon reservoirs in need of refill. A combination of serious recycling and waste biomass injection could have a significant effect and not break the bank.
All hardwood is profitable Wilbeer.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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Interesting.
Pumping at that great depth takes a huge amount of horsepower. For an example, go google up a pic of a fracking operation. The high pressure equipment that is needed on shale fracks is pretty massive.
I do think that geo-engineering is in our future. None of us can do without fossil fuels. We had better learn, because we will start running out pretty soon.
I remember one storm that I was on with NSSL back in the nineties. It was a developing supercell when the rain making planes started bombing the inflow with silver iodide. Within about twenty minutes the updraft became disconnected with the updraft base and died.
I worked on tornado, hurricane, and electrification, field projects for a dozen years or so. Man, did I get to see a lot of tornadoes.
We used to call the Kansas cloud seeders the "Tornado Suppression Project."
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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I don't expect anyone to live like me and never said I did. I know I'm exceptionally clean and unsmelly... it is one of my many gifts. I do what I can, which is more than most of the as#@&%es on here can claim.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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The beauty of this Base is that your not pricing the imaginary "social costs of carbon" at the endpoint consumer through taxation that likely will never be used to address the perceived problem, but rather at a lesser rate ( paid by consumers to the former landfill service operators) at the wellhead. Government programs rarely address the problem they are alledgedly created for-witness Obamacare. If they really wanted healthcare for the uninsured it could have been much more efficiently delivered by subsidizing many more medical field educations in return for a specified period of service and greatly increasing "free clinics", etc. etc.
And Base and Wilbeer, right off the top i can think of ways of efficiently using solar energy to achieve the pressures needed to force the finely macerated biomass into the formations without using much FF fueled horsepower.Another benefit is that injection of the biomass into pressurized high temp deep formations would greatly accelerate transformation into new FF.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:57am PT
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BASE ,with the horsepower thing[hell ,the biomass could power it,it is damn near neutral in emissions.]
But in theory would not drilling near fissures be a bit easier than shale or conglomerate?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 18, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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damn, looks like rick has solved the oil industry's problems, right off the top of his head. I'm sure he can expect a royalty check and thank you letter any day now.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Feb 18, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
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My old friend David Keith has written about the possibilities and pitfalls of using technology to change the atmosphere. No chem-trail nonsense. He's not even advocating we do anything. He's just trying to explore possible strategies so other people can criticize, discover problems before anyone tries anything large scale.
http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/book
He's also looked into capturing carbon directly from the air:
http://carbonengineering.com
At present, totally impractical at the scales required, very expensive. It'd surely be more effective to capture carbon at the smoke stacks at the power stations.
But it's a tool in the toolbox.
I'd be real skeptical of his ideas except I know Keith and he's a very smart, no-nonsense guy (well, except for the winter he tried to ski, solo, around Baffin Island).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 18, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
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Apart from your overly loony environmentalism Wilbeer, i do admire your attempts at positivity. We have a future amigo, here on the third rock from the sun, we just need to apply a can do attitude and use the same advancing technology that got us into this incorrectly perceived problem in the first place. Throwing your hands up in despair is self defeating.
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Spitzer
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
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I was reading about David Keith a few months ago in an article about him titled "Dr. Cool". The idea of geoengineering makes me cringe but I wonder if we'll be forced into that corner eventually. It's hard to see the path where nations coordinate an effective reduction in CO2 emissions. Keith called that a "pious wish".
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raymond phule
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
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Sounds about right. I don't see how China could be motivated to reduce their CO2 output by (at least) 50 percent. Same goes for India. Or any other emerging markets.
This one again. The CO2 footprint for the average Chinese is about half the CO2 footprint for the average American.
Why don't the western world try to reach a pollution level that is about the same as for China before complaining about China?
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