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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:36am PT
Gravity gets it here from Big Bear.
CCT

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:38am PT
I'd love to see that old Norman Clyde photo of the Palisade Glacier. Will you please post it up?

Thanks!
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:38am PT
I'm more into living within our water budget than a futile effort to expand supply.

That's an oxymoron is it not Dingus. Seeing as the supply is not static in any way shape or form, ie the current "Drought" and the "Dustbowls" of the past that most here do not realize are the norm.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:41am PT
Dingus, it's a derivative based on the underlying* wells' continued
propensity. Heads I win, tails you lose!


*financial speak for the raison d'etre of the instrument
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 09:56am PT
This isn't the same one I mentioned but shows how in the early 30's the conditions were pretty much the same then as they are today.


Early Aug of 31'


Late July of 2015 I took on my trip to 3rd to check out the fishies.



krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Aug 25, 2015 - 10:28am PT
This isn't the same one I mentioned but shows how in the early 30's the conditions were pretty much the same then as they are today.

To me there looks like a lot of difference between the 1930 photo and the 2015 image, inasmuch that the lake at the base of the terminal moraine (from 1850 advance) in 2015 photograph is completely covered in snow and ice in the 1930 picture. The zone of accumulation does look similar in both pictures.

Starting at about 3:40 in this video there's a good historical photograph comparison:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

CCT

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 11:35am PT
Wow, those are some really great photos and video. Thanks for posting up. I've thought about doing a similar comparison myself, but it looks like someone beat me to it.

Looking along the base of the mountains, it's interesting how similar the glacier looks in both photos. It appears that it hasn't lost much depth in that area.

On the other hand, the ice flow near the terminal moraine, by the lake, looks to have decreased quite a bit. I can't even see the lake in the Normal Clyde photos. Judging by the change in slope from the 1930/2015 photos, I think the lake location was completely buried by the ice/debris flow at the time. That's consistent with the video, which shows the lake slowly revealing itself sometime between 1947-1976 (2:17-2:30).

It's great that we have these visual historic records, and people here who know how to find them.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 25, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
Here's a lot more pics and history of California glaciers.

http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/Thesis/Basagic/snglac.html

Darwin, 1908

Darwin, 2014

Lyell 1903

Lyell 2003

Dana 1883

Dana 2004
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
Hey CCT, check this out. Now this one really is showing it's age....


When Werner first showed up in the Valley (notice they had to paint it):



And today:

CCT

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
Very nice. And here's the valley in pre-Werner days.


Giving credit where credit is due:
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/geology_of_yosemite_valley/
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 01:54pm PT
And Dingus... that is why me and the Boss were in Idaho. Did a full recon of Sandpoint, Hope and Clark Fork area. Got three properties on the burner. Hopefully we'll be up there no later than next late spring. Sooner we hope.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
Hopefully, there will be no internet access where you move to.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
Unfortunately DirtBagger, got it clear as a whistle on every one of them properties. Living up there I will be getting so much hardcore "Redneck" guidance, I will be posting 10 times more Conserve Kryptonite beta here than I ever have in the past.

Them folks up there disdain Libs/Progressives far worse than YOU Dirtbag hate Conserves. They also love their GUNS. Oh man...


And, they got buttloads of water all over the place. I mean buttloads. The lake is well over 1100' deep and 43 miles long.
CCT

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
Monolith, thanks for posting up those photos.

Occasionally I find myself hiking with an older USGS map. There are so many glaciers on those old maps! Half the time, I can't even find a snow patch to mark where one might have been.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 25, 2015 - 04:09pm PT
Fking Taxes here in CA are getting way insane as you Know Dingus. COL is really getting way outta hand. And the price of gas. Everything I just mentioned is at least 40% less up there including the population being at least 70-90% less and EVERYONE up in that area is 100% gung ho!
MikeMc

Social climber
Aug 27, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
The camera height was different in the photo's Chief posted, causing the view to be off abit, but notice the same stone in the pics. (circled in red) Not making any point really, just interesting.


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 27, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
Dingus, I don't know if you caught it, but I posted at the tree mortality rate in Mariposa county a few pages back. You asked about it, so just making sure you get a look.

And The Chief? Man, I have been away...
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Aug 27, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
Sail.... "Away".
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 27, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
Excellent glacier video and pics, Krahmes & Monolith!
more on the not so excellent melting at
http://web.pdx.edu/~basagic/HiSierraRepeatPhoto.pdf
http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/Thesis/Basagic/snglac.html
http://glaciers.research.pdx.edu/image-galleries/palisade-glacier?page=1
the 1960 picture clearly shows the Palisade glacier covering much more of the pond than it does now.
http://geology.pomona.edu/wp-content/uploads/2006Kittell.pdf
http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/Projects/WesternUSGlacierChange/ClimateChangeIndicatorsApril2009.pdf
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Aug 31, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
As Ice Age Ended, Greenhouse Gas Rise Was Lead Factor in Melting of Earth's Glaciers
http://www.bc.edu/offices/pubaf/news/2015-jul-aug/ice-age-glaciers-melted-because-of-greenhouse-gas-increase.html?cq_ck=1440100083400

More on glacier melting

see fig 80-83 of article Ed posted in 2008
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/geologic_story_of_yosemite/final_evolution.html

mt. baker
http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/mount%20baker%20hyp.9453.pdf
https://mbvrc.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/glacier-field-studies-at-mount-baker-2013/

Asia http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/will-melting-tian-shan-glaciers-lead-to-asia-water-wars/

Alaska
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alaskan-glaciers-melting-faster/
http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/30/alaska-glaciers-melting-faster-as-planet-overheats/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/us-makes-urgent-appeal-for-climate-change-action-at-alaska-conference.html?_r=0

Greenland
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/08/28/why-nasas-so-worried-that-greenlands-melting-could-speed-up/

World
http://ens-newswire.com/2015/08/04/worlds-glaciers-melting-faster-than-ever/
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