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apogee
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Sep 27, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
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I'd say it's about guaranteed that the Judiciary panel will bring it to a vote tomorrow morning with no further delays, and their recommendation will pass along party lines. McConnell has already stated he plans on keeping the Senate in session over the weekend for the final vote. I could see that going either way still...the votes of Murkowski, Collins and Flake are the lynchpin, and there's still time for more politicking.
Collins is a pretty rational Republican...it's hard to imagine how a conscientious woman wouldn't want to at least see more due diligence done in researching these claims.
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wilbeer
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Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 27, 2018 - 04:16pm PT
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So ,on to the next thing.
If Trump goes down hard via the “Mueller” investigation,should his SCROTUS be scrubbed?
Or,say everything he has done.
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Trump
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Sep 27, 2018 - 04:26pm PT
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Findings from a poll conducted before the hearing today:
“A majority of Republicans (59%) say they think Kavanaugh should be confirmed regardless of whether Ford’s allegations are true”
So nolo contendere.
Let’s just say he did try to rape a 15 year old girl. So what? We’ve already elected Trump (knowing that he bragged about grabbing women without their consent, and knowing that his thoughts on meeting a 10 year old girl were how he would be dating her in 10 years) - we’re in this for the long haul, and we’re going to approve of appointing and confirming a Supreme Court Justice whether he tried to rape a 15 year old girl or not.
The fallacy of sunk costs might factor in here somewhere. Or maybe they’re not the ones paying the costs.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/26/651647131/poll-nearly-6-in-10-to-closely-watch-kavanaugh-ford-hearing-many-undecided-on-tr
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zBrown
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Sep 27, 2018 - 04:28pm PT
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Misinformation abounded. Yet there was no attempt to refute any of it.
Made for TV I guess.
Dr. Ford seems very credible. The Kav doesn't.
Whaal, we agree that something must have happened to Dr. ford, we just can't pin down what it was or who did it, but we know it wasn't him whatever it was.
-Grassley & Co.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
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Why the hell would this guy want this so bad?!
For a Federal Judge To go on Fox News and pander to the base, to declare openly such a deep and unnatural desire to be on the Supreme Court, to snarl at the mere spectre of an FBI investigation and finally to expose your angry partisanship on the Senate floor...WTF?
Here's why- He's the number one draft pick of the conservative, white, male Aristocrats and he can't let them down. He's determined to live up their expectations and deliver blow after blow to the brown people and the liberal agenda.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
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There is a lot more to it than just roe vs. wade or just protecting the POTUS.
They can wipe out Ocare,social security,medicare,all the while pushing federal autonomy.
I can see battles with states who legalized.
Yep,our rights will be expanded.
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ec
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ca
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:25pm PT
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“FFFFFourth of July” = a ‘joke’ because of a stutter?! Pure BS!
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:36pm PT
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If I was innocent, I would welcome an FBI investigation.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:40pm PT
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If I was guilty, I would scream about bat sh*t crazy conspiracy theories.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:41pm PT
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Even Kavanaugh's loyal clerk Zina Bash, at right, is astounded by his deranged performance.
Willbeer's correct that Roe and Russiagate would only be sideshows if the corporate and monied interests take over the courts. They would disempower states and the other two branches of Federal government. Majority rule by vote would become irrelevant and unable to halt a money-first agenda. Any unfavorable legislation would be ruled unconstitutional by the right-wing, money-first judges.
Money talks. Talk is speech. Speech is protected by the First Amendment. So, unbridled and unregulated greed for money is protected by the Constitution. Efforts to reign in money addicts violates their civil rights, especially when the money addict is a corporation that answers to other money-addicts, such as shareholders.
 The Supreme Court of Nuts
Kavanaugh's calendar was supposed to "prove" that he could not have attacked Dr. Ford. Instead, the calendar, and Mark Judge's book, corroborate the doctor's story. She said she saw Judge working at Safeway in the summer of 1982, about seven weeks after the attack. Judge wrote about working there to raise money for football camp, which Kavanaugh's calendar presents as beginning August 22. The calendar also has a July 1 entry of:
"Go to Timmy's for Skis w/ Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi."
"Skis" = "Brewskis"
"PJ" has been identified by Dr. Ford as being at the party when Kavanaugh attacked her.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Mark-Judge-s-book-validates-Christine-Ford-s-13263161.php
The bastard did it, and Senate Repugnacans don't care, in the same way they don't care that Trump conspired with Russia to commit election fraud. All they care about is gaining control illegitimately, and forcing their sociopathic money-first agenda on the majority of voters who oppose it.
America is being hijacked by a minority group, and the majority is being robbed of their political power.
“FFFFFourth of July” = a ‘joke’ because of a stutter?! Pure BS!
I'm old enough to know that "FFFF" means:
Find them, Feel them, F*#k them, Forget them.
I heard frat boys at college parties saying that in 1982, the same year Kavanaugh attacked Dr. Ford.
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Kavanaugh is already on videotape, saying that he and his preppy pals were sworn to a code of silence. His actual words were, "What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep."
Mark Judge has gone (unsuccessfully) into hiding, because he can't go before the Senate, and risk falling into a "perjuy trap" (i.e., he's willing to lie informally, but not under oath).
Who claimed Mark Judge repeated his statement under oath? And, to whom? The Senate has refused to hear from him. False claims of his testifying under penalty of perjury are just more lies.
I'm still waiting for the White House to crucify and vilify Mark Judge, possibly by conflating him with MTV cartoonist Mike Judge, in the way that Fox News found and vilified a different "Professor Ford" who had some embarrassing student reviews.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 27, 2018 - 05:55pm PT
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This isn't a sworn statement of Mark Judge under felony, yet it was stated more than once by The Kav that it was.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4901575-Letter-Counsel-for-Mark-Judge.html
Penalty of felony came up repeatedly. For example, re Kaiser.
Dr. Ford testified that Kaiser says she did not make the statement quoted by The Kav, her lawyer wrote and sent it without her knowledge (stated by Dr. Ford under oath).
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Sep 27, 2018 - 07:41pm PT
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"If I was innocent, I would welcome an FBI investigation. "
He's had six.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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That makes #7 the one of current interest.
You seem to track stuff
How many times did the FBI investigate Al Capone?
How many liars do you track in this photo? Trumps potential scrotus nominee list
Mitchell: "Would you believe me if I told you that there's no study that says this setting"—she waves her hands indicating the Senate Judiciary chamber—"in five-minute increments, is the best way to do that?"
[Laughter.]
Dr. Ford's attorney: "We'll stipulate to that."
Mitchell: "Thank you, counsel. Did you know that the best way to do it is to have a trained interviewer talk you one-on-one in a private setting, and to let you do the talking? Just let you do a narrative. Did you know that?"
Dr. Ford: "That makes a lot of sense."
Mitchell: "It does make a lot of sense, doesn't it?"
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monolith
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state of being
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:21pm PT
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He's had six.
Did any of them talk to Ford?
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rottingjohnny
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Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
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What convinced me that Kavanaugh didn't assault Ford was when he said that his daughter suggested praying for Christine Blase Ford...Family values...
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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I was hoping Kavanaugh would break out with some of that "praying in tongues" gibberish to impress his clueless evangelical supporters. That nonsense is often used by TV charlatans as time-wasting filler, and Kavanaugh could have done the same and minimized the number of absurd statements he made.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Sep 27, 2018 - 09:28pm PT
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he is the first nominee that I can think of who has has done the most to politicize the process.
if he is appointed to the court, the court will forever be tainted.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 10:56pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't confuse GOP-land with logic and reason. Oil and water, they are.
Grassley doesn't want to wait for the FBI to investigate because he knows what they would find would disqualify Kavanaugh. The GOP wants to seat him as fast as possible, before the truth comes out.
I think the GOP is over-reaching, and Kavanaughgate is going to blow up in their faces. They are over-confident, arrogant and hubristic. The GOP is going to get thrashed in November, and also in 2020. They've angered many people, and their minority of voters is shrinking.
The real risk is that Trump will do something really stupid, like attack Iran, in an effort to remain in power. Trump is absolutely crazy enough to do that.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Sep 28, 2018 - 12:43am PT
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+1 ec. The ABA weighing in is a big deal.
What convinced me that Kavanaugh didn't assault Ford was when he said that his daughter suggested praying for Christine Blase Ford...Family values...
A typical frat boy running in privileged circles turned family man would have this type of response, and it adds no exculpatory or incriminating evidence from my perspective. It’s just another attempt to make an emotional appeal leveraging a more sympathetic character (a daughter) than a privileged white male. At this point it has been orchestrated to be a he-said she-said spectacle. I found Dr.Ford’s testimony to be compelling, but our society has people who can beat lie detectors and give convincing emotional displays on demand, whether it be as a victim or as an aggressor. Heck, I was married to one (never had the chance to test with an actual lie detector system but she was a damn convincing liar and emotional actor that completely manipulated people to her side in many situations).
It seems the only fair way to restore honor to at least one of the parties is to have a thorough investigation that digs up corroborating evidence. It’s a delicate and messy thing for which we should not be jumping to conclusions that will destroy someone’s professional and social standing. The most damning thing I find in all of this is a rush to vote. It shows such a jaded “ends justify the means” amoral focus on winning that loses site of the ideals that our legal system is intended to protect.
The initial delay in launching a criminal investigation or going public can be accepted in terms of hoping to make it all go away quietly and move on if Kavanaugh was not nominated. But given that he was, the rest of the timeline is not too unreasonable. It’s a big deal to commit to putting yourself and your family through the trauma of this circus for standing up for what one believes to be truth and justice. Maybe the Dems thought was to avoid using this data to respect the woman’s privacy and that of her family, until there was no option left. That can explain the delays in a compassionate and humanistic way rather than as a pure political calculation, though there may have been a convenient overlap in his case.
P.s. I know there are regional slang variants, but in the 1980s in California, I distinctly recall that “boof” meant “to have sex with” but more akin to fvck, in the sense that it implied doing it to someone else. It was always used in the context of a guy doing it to a girl, and it did not typically imply a respectful and loving act. It was a language of conquest.
“Devil’s triangle” - Google it. Saw some articles that Wikipedia was modified after the testimony to corroborate Kavanaugh’s testimony. Apparently the idiots aren’t aware of editing logs?
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