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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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He did all the leading?
(The really impressive thing was the hauling job)
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bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
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Oh really, so why did CM bother to enlist the greatest ice climber in the world if he is going to lead every pitch ?
CM: Listen very carefully: When we attacked it in 1959, the north face of Cerro Torre was a solid mass of snow and ice. We went up it. Egger was the greatest ice climber in the world. We took advantage of this because the weather had been bad for three weeks and Cerro Torre was a sheet of ice. . . .
Nothing anyone supporting CM says adds up to make any sense. Including anything CM himself says as well. Is this why CM is afraid to speak now, because he can't keep track of the lies he has told already ? Why is it so attractive to defend a person of this nature, to so many ? Another case of like attracts like ...
Anyone in this thread whom has posted a lie today, please raise your hand.
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The cad
climber
Does it matter, really?!?
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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Hey, wake up!
We're NOT talking about the '59 route.
We're talking about the Compressor Route.
The point is NOT whether supporting or not Maestri.
The point is about supporting or not the chopping of an established, yet controversial, route.
Period.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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The point is there is no point. No consensus.
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The cad
climber
Does it matter, really?!?
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Jan 31, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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That's for sure :)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
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Well boys and girls it's been real and it's been fun. It just hasn't been real fun.
So cheers to all the climbers of the world.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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Yeah this guy also has style.
And the same opinion of the Yank Down of the Bolt Route.
Hey, who is that dude with Jona anyway?
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rampik
Social climber
the alps
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Jan 31, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
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Philo your sponsor is Atlas, like Maestri... !
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Atlas Copco Italia S.p.A.: la nostra storia (history)
Dal 1961 al 1975
* 1965 L' intera organizzazione della sede e della filiale di Milano si trasferisce nel nuovo complesso di Cinisello Balsamo.
* 1967-69 Inizia la collaborazione con la FIAT per la fornitura di utensili pneumatici e compressori per le fabbriche torinesi. Nello stabilimento automobilistico di Togliattigrad i tecnici dell' Atlas Copco Italia guidano il montaggio delle centrali di compressione.
* 1970 Cesare Maestri conquista la vetta del Cerro Torre, in Patagonia, con l'aiuto di una "Vespa" e di un compressore FE dell' Atlas Copco. **
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AC Italy history
* 1974 Avviene l' introduzione della perforazione idraulica.
* 1975 Avviene l' introduzione dei compressori rotativi a vite di media capacità, sia mobili (XA) che stazionari (GA). Atlas Copco Italia, con il "Jumbo Fréjus", entra in galleria, per lo scavo della metà italiana del medesimo traforo. Dalla collaborazione con le università svedesi nasce il "Limno", un sistema che permette di ossigenare i laghi inquinati, utilizzato anche in Italia nel lago di Caldonazzo, in Trentino.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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I never thought about that but it is funny.
No, actually it is just a neck gaiter covering a cervical collar that I was wearing after a 4 vertibrae fusion surgery.
All I have left is style. lol
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Philo, why do you all take a photo with the same girl?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
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What can I say, she is the one getting the pictures. She has taste and style.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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Seriously though, is that a relative or a friend of yours?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
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She is my friend yes.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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You guys are pigs. lol :)
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Johnny K.
climber
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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hahaahaaa
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Gene
climber
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
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This thread is done.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Actually Fatz you got that backwards. Not an uncommon state for you.
She met Messner at the OR show in Salt Lake after the Ouray Ice Fest.
But cast no aspersions please gentlemen and you too Fatz, she is a really lovely person not some strumpet to slander. Not to mention she can outclimb the frothing lie spewer without breaking a glisten
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 31, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
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Not to mention she can outclimb the frothing lie spewer without breaking a glisten
She must have a ST account I hope.
philo hijacked the thread with 2 photos of a blonde! Well done!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 31, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
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Your welcome. Mission Accomplished!
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Jan 31, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
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I still think it's interesting that the Italians (and other anti-chop posters) don't offer a peep about their opinions of removing the bolts in the context of Maestri starting the job himself.
He removed some of the bolts himself, while on the way down from his second near ascent, did he not?
In the absence of any statement from him thus far, I find his action very telling - practically an open invitation to anyone to finish the job, and representing a coming back to sanity after a brief sojourn. I think he realized that it was a mess and a mistake, and began trying to fix it, but didn't have the time, energy or motivation to fix it entirely.
JUST LIKE K&K.
But you who are so mad at K&K for removing his bolts, due to their "disrespect." Does this change your opinion?
Aren't you just SO MAD at Maestri for preemptively "removing bits of history?"
:-))))
TC
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