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k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2014 - 02:27pm PT

The Chief, all this time you have shown us that your agenda is nothing but money based.

Oh... and how is that KMAN! I am pretty much self-sufficient.

OK, The Chief, then what is the point you're trying to make here? Why do you argue against what climate scientists are finding?

TLP

climber

Feb 13, 2014 - 04:19pm PT

Totally agree with the negative sentiment toward so-called religious believers or groups who promote ignorance, lack of rational thought, and the exercise of basic human rights. ...just that it has nothing to do with ethnic origins. When Europe was in the Dark Ages - being under the iron rule of religious dictators - the muslim world was really enlightened and doing great science. Now we have a new anti-science religious dark age threatening just about the whole world.

crunch

Social climber

Feb 13, 2014 - 05:08pm PT

TLP, thanks for your excellent posts. It's wrong to insult someone for their ancestry. No excuses.

I read somewhere an explanation of why science in the the muslim world began to stagnate, circa 1400, and how the West leaped ahead:

It was the imposition of religious dogma.

Take just one thing:

Ban on representation of humans.

As Western artists began painting people they began to notice how people farther away should be smaller, so they explored drawing in three dimensions, which led to understanding perspective and complex, three-dimensional geometry. Out of this came the science of physics, light, shade, lenses (to observe better). Leonardo da Vinci springs to mind. Imagine if he had been banned from drawing humans? No Mona LIsa. No Vermeer.

Also, attempts to draw muscles, tendons and bones correctly led directly to investigating anatomy, which led, bit by bit, to modern biology, modern medical treatment. Michelangelo comes to mind. With no portraits, there'd be no Sistine Chapel. No Rembrandt.

So many aspects of modern science have grown out of the study of anatomy and of perfecting perspective. The scientific method of doing things, asking questions and going wherever they take you (usually more questions) developed out of this no-holds-barred approach to research.

I forget why the ban came about. Was it that humans were in the image of god, therefore a depiction of a human was a de facto depiction of god? And a depiction of god was wrong because it was blasphemous?

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 13, 2014 - 05:47pm PT

Speaking of the real world impact of RELIGION

**State Sen. Mike Fair Blocks Evolution From South Carolina Science Standards
**
The South Carolina Education Oversight Committee approved most of the state's new science standards on Monday but blocked a clause featuring the phrase "natural selection.” According to Republican state Sen. Mike Fair, "To teach that natural selection is the answer to origins is wrong."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/mike-fair-evolution-science-standards_n_4774914.html

sickening isn't it?

fundamentalist Christianity OWNS Republican politicians

as Republican US Senator Lindsey Graham said: "We are now known as the Stupid Party"

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Feb 13, 2014 - 06:07pm PT

I forget why the ban came about. Was it that humans were in the image of god, therefore a depiction of a human was a de facto depiction of god? And a depiction of god was wrong because it was blasphemous?

We could probably just look it up on Google--but that would take the fun out of guessing.
I don't think it's quite what you wrote above because, as I understand it, Muslims aren't supposed to depict animals either (not sure about other natural objects)--the classic art is basically just geometric images.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Feb 13, 2014 - 07:21pm PT

Like to say thanks to Rick,for showing some faith in what Ed and his fellow scientists are accomplishing at Livermore,with fusion.The ultimate energy source.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/12/275896094/scientists-say-their-giant-laser

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2014 - 07:56pm PT

TLP

climber

Feb 13, 2014 - 08:00pm PT

Totally agree with crunch about the value both aesthetically, dare I say spiritually, and scientifically/medically of what Renaissance art investigated and achieved. Same in the non-European world from (especially) Persia through India, for centuries.

And it is an absolute travesty that there is anyone in science education or its oversight that rejects the completely settled scientific reality of the basic tenets of evolution. There hasn't been a legitimate criticism of the basic principles since Darwin published in 1859, though a lot of process and details have been clarified since. Not only that, but to reject evolution, you also have to reject atomic physics (isotope decay rates), geology, ecology, and other sciences. It's even more anti-scientific than the European churches were in the Dark Ages!

That said, the SC politician who was quoted was right that evolution doesn't tell us anything really about the origin of life, only how it changed once it was here; but completely asinine to bring up this totally irrelevant fact.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Feb 13, 2014 - 08:43pm PT

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-green-socialists-of-mars.html

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Feb 13, 2014 - 11:08pm PT

Yes professor your onto something. I and a silent majority of the populace live in our own SELF MADE REALITY. Our labors are a major contributory factor to the wonders of this modern world we live in. Without the hard work ,self reliance, and can do attitude of generations of americans before us you would be living in just another also ran country not affording of the investments in science that have aided you from your education right through your career.

Sorry if i'm not up to the particulars of your job. I thought because of another thread here at supertopo that you might have had a finger in the fusion pie as well as the stockpile maintainence. Guess i was wrong. Your skepticism of the technologies prospects of solving our energy problem any time soon explains much.

Good link TGT. Anyone but a warmist would also appreciate your usual offerings also. I know i do.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Feb 13, 2014 - 11:49pm PT

Anyone but a warmist would also appreciate your usual offerings also. I know i do.

well, that makes 3 of you.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Feb 13, 2014 - 11:58pm PT

That's cold Icey.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Feb 14, 2014 - 12:31am PT

You are friggin retard Bruce. What images do the words "silent majority" and "generations of americans" produce in your pea brain? I know, your own tunnel vision reality. Idiot. Have a good night.

dave729

Trad climber

Western America

Feb 14, 2014 - 02:40am PT

Expect more volcano forced global cooling.

Erupting Mount Kelud is giving the "Pompei Treatment" to the people in
Indonesia right now.

Red hot ash, gravel, and rocks have been raining down up to 9 miles from
the volcano continuously since the eruption began.
This is a bad one.

Some 200,000 people in a 10-kilometre (six-mile) radius from the volcano
were ordered to evacuate, according to national disaster officials,
though many tried to return to their homes to gather clothing and
valuables -- only to be forced back by a continuous downpour of volcanic
materials.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/14/two-dead-flights-disrupted-indonesia-volcano-erupts.html

http://news.yahoo.com/two-dead-flights-disrupted-indonesia-volcano-erupts-062745185.html;_ylt=AwrSyCT4uf1S1X8AYW_QtDMD

raw

Mountain climber

Malibu

Feb 14, 2014 - 10:33am PT

Beautiful technology...many dead birds.

"We're trying to figure out how big the problem is and what we can do to minimize bird mortalities," said Eric Davis, assistant regional director for migratory birds at the federal agency's Sacramento office. "When you have new technologies, you don't know what the impacts are going to be."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484?KEYWORDS=solar+energy&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484.html%3FKEYWORDS%3Dsolar%2Benergy&fpid=2,7,121,122,201,401,641,1009

dirtbag

climber

Feb 14, 2014 - 11:23am PT

Ron, it's funny that you're not nearly so critical of the environmental impacts of fossil fuel plants and fossil fuel extraction.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Feb 14, 2014 - 11:40am PT

Very cool!

The World's Largest Solar Plant Started Creating Electricity Today

There's no accounting for taste, but I think the solar plant looks great--sci-fi come to life.
I'd rather have my tax money spent on things like the solar plant which may potentially be useful than on "models" or ethnographic studies of (alleged) climate change or other BS.
Figuring out how not to fry too many birds could be a challenge, sure, or maybe the fried ones could be harvested and used as food, I don't know.