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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2014 - 11:55am PT
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Sketch's "contributions" to this thread, collected from the past couple of days. Does he ever say anything of merit? You be the judge:
Of course, with some people (like Bruce Kay), it's obvious they're full of sh!t. No need to look harder.
Nice reply.
My post was simply a response to Wilbur's post about the Great Lakes. I even quoted him for clarification.
Sometimes, a pipe is just a pipe.
You learn something new every day. Earlier today, I learned Adirondack Park is the largest park and the largest wilderness area in the contiguous United States.
Is it May, already?
Don't you just hate when the weather doesn't cooperate...
Lovely bit of cherry picking.
Looking at the similar charts for October, November, December, January, February and March (the colder months), the trend for all of those months looks more favorable.
Has Chiloe gone over to the dark side?
When does Winter end, anyway?
June?
July?
September?
I could be wrong, but I thought most ski areas ended their seasons in April. That's when they typically ended back in the 70s and 80s.
On the one hand, Ed Hartouni says:
THEN the results of the models are consistent with the observations.
On the other hand, the IPCC says:
“Almost all CMIP5 historical simulations do not reproduce the observed recent warming hiatus."
Hmm
So, it's the wind.
Is that a natural forcing?
Hmm
More curve fitting.
Oh joy.
Rapture.
Clearly, you haven't been paying attention.
Perhaps we have different definitions. In designing trading systems, curve fitting is the process of adjusting the parameters to achieve the most desirable results.
Perhaps I should use smoothing or optimization, instead.
With Cowtan and Way, they used the kriging method over the oceans and the hybrid method over land and sea ice. This combination produced uniquely warm Arctic temps. The Cowtan and Way temperature record showed more warming than the temperature records used. How convenient.
It's a matter of changing the rules for entering and exiting trades to produce the best back-tested results.
No!
Really?
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
"could be greater or less than that of either component."
Do any of the temperature records used show more overall warming?
Speaking of devious... you make an assertion that is wrong. Get called on it. And now you're trying to turn it around on me.
Do you think no one noticed your sleazy little backpedal?
And as far as just addressing one point from your long-winded post... so little of what you post merits a reply. SSDD.
Post of the year!!! Bravo!
You really are an odd little person. It's kinda creepy how you obsess over supposed character flaws, based on so little information. Does it give you a sense of importance to demean others in such a shallow manner?
He does go on...
What's with you and fortmental being so concerned about my beliefs regarding evolution? Is this just another one of your desperate attempts to paint me in a negative light?
Where's this coming from?
It is comical that you post lies about me and then attack my ethics. Funny, eh?
From Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit:
“As you know, I’m not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish.”
Who cares about mankind... I want vindication.
Kudos to the climate scientists and their integrity.
Wow.
So much projection.
So much hate.
Sad.
And on... and on... and on....
No doubt, you fancy yourself as some sort of authority figure... passing out demands... expecting to be obeyed.
But the fact is you're just a random schmuck on the internet. A wannabe hall monitor / high school guidance counselor. You just come across as being desperate.
What's the deal with your creationism obsession? Yesterday, out of the blue, you started blathering about evolution and creationism. Where did that come from?
More lies by Bruce Kay.
You preach ethics and then spout lies.
Shameless hypocrisy.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
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Yee Haw!
I've got a new fanboi.
No Sketch, no. Just someone who is aware of what you contribute.
Take that as you may.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 11, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Ed:
But taking the overview, I'd say that a 156 calculation of the climate is in amazingly good agreement with observations, and not just in the one variable "temperature anomaly" but in the myriad of other variables that the models calculate and can be compared with the data.
Yes Ed, we're all really impressed with you and your fellow "scientists" ability to come up with a "model" that gives "amazingly good" results in "predicting" things that have already happened. (I think "hindcasting" is the technical term.)
People were amazed at Bernie Madoff's investing skills too.
You've got to make some non-trival predictions of things that haven't actually happened yet before anyone who isn't a part of your insular little world will start clapping.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 11, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
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"There is no such thing as bad snow,only bad skiers".....Paul Parker.
And one other thing,Fort and Cragar commented yesterday about the thin conditions I was skiing in.
I do not have any choice,we have less than 2 foot of snow ,pretty much statewide.
It all came in a dump this past week,the BC conditions before that ,were less than 6 inchs for most of the month of January.
There were two events early in the winter,2 thaws took that away.
We here used to talk about the BC conditions in feet,now we talk about inches.
Just letting you know.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 11, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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Hmm well the skiing here was a mixed bag. If you found the shaded spots you got several turns of very nice 8 inch heavy pow hero snow.
Where the sun was hitting you got a crappy sun crust workout.
All in all not a bad second day out for such a lousy season.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 11, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
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Bruce, hindcasting is (I imagine) a necessary but not sufficient part of the modelling process. That is, if you can't even hindcast, you know your model is fubar, but if it can, it still may be fubar. But all I really know about modelling is what I learned form Ed's YouTube reference of last week, which didn't really get into hindcasting, so I may be a little off on this.
More importantly, here is a question: imagine all humans (and their machines/devices) were instantly removed from the Earth, rapture style.
Do you think Ed and his cronies have any idea of what the climate would be like in 10 or 100 or 1000 years?
Do you think they understand the very significant climate changes that have occurred in the recent (say past 500 to 1000 years) past that predated significant human messing with the atmosphere?
If no (and I'm pretty sure that is correct, I imagine I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), why would you think they can predict the changes when you do add humans to the mix?
Ed's "amazingly good results" sounded a little like Bernie Madoff's similarly good investment results--that's all I was getting at there. I don't think Ed's a crook, but I think he's maybe drank his own Kool-Aid as the saying goes.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 11, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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blah...Hold on...I'm imagining everybody and thing leaving earth.......
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Feb 11, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
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I understand that global temperatures have fallen consistently since 1998.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
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it is going to dip down to 30 degrees here in the desert tonight
this proves all that Climate Change and Global Warming to be a LIE
and all those ElITIST supposed scientists to be paid off LIARS
edit: forgot to throw in a LOL, and a ROTFLMAO
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 12, 2014 - 01:06am PT
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And this OBVIOUSLY explains why ... keep regurgitating the same meaningless bullshet over and over in their vein attempt to be someone they are not....
you mean like:
HAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAA> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
ok
Niiiiiiiiiiice
got it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 12, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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which half gave you your brains
Clearly the rear half, of the horse.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Feb 12, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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Seems as good a place as any to bring up winter storm Pax. Who's in its path? "Thunder ice" sounds like a bad thing heading for Atlanta and its trees.
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Jim E
climber
away
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Feb 12, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
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EDH and LARRY, they have a monetary agenda. Career PhD's.
I would find this to be incredibly offensive if it weren't for the fact that it is so hilariously off the mark.
Anyone that would remotely entertain this idea really does not have a grasp of the scale of the economic forces at work on this topic.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
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EDH and LARRY, they have a monetary agenda.
 The Chief
The Chief, all this time you have shown us that your agenda is nothing but money based. You cry about having to pay more due to "carbon credits" and such.
Which makes you a....
(Hint: begins with an H).
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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The Chief, all this time you have shown us that your agenda is nothing but money based. You cry about having to pay more due to "carbon credits" and such.
Which makes you a....
(Hint: begins with an H).
It makes him a lot of things.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 13, 2014 - 06:24am PT
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TLP
climber
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Feb 13, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
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I would agree that the racist and anti-muslim slurs in the last few pages are wrong both factually and morally and not appropriate in virtually any conversation. Being a hybrid of greatly divergent ethnic origins like millions of other Americans including, ummm, our President, I'd be as proud as The Chief ought to be to count Tuareg or whatever it is in my ancestry.
But I also can't help but note the incredible irony that after vociferously denigrating science in hundreds of posts, he's now singing the praises (and correctly so) of muslim scientists of prior centuries. Astronomy, math, you name it, they advanced those sciences immensely - then.
Science is a wonderful thing and is the primary basis for the evolutionary success and, for some of the species, relative comfort of humanity. It is absolutely baffling that, almost without exception, entrenched religions are so fanatically opposed to science. It is not a political or social system, it is just a matter of observing facts and drawing rational conclusions from them. Why is this considered to be so threatening? We have a lot of brain power and have made tools that magnify its effectiveness. Whether you believe that just evolved or was endowed by some all-is-one entity, it is completely insane to be opposed to using it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 13, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
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Controlled nuclear fusion is the kind of applied science people of all races, religions, and ideoligies could rally around TLP. Did our friend Dr. Hartouni have anythinh to do with this net positive momentary fusion reaction at Livermore I hear about on the radio in my locale in parts out yonder? If so, and sustained fusion is practical in less than decades in the future , then his repeated calls for abandonment of FF and crippling punitive taxation would be rendered a moot point. I believe in science, just not the types that diverge from truth by ideological and political control. That would be the so called mainstream of CAGW. Congratulations Edward if you had anything to do with the fusion project.
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