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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 24, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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Well The, it's been nice chattin' with ya, but it's too hot to expend energy trying to figure out what in the fkkk you're trying to say.
As far as I know, Windows 10 does not prevent you from sending yourself emails. Why not upgrade and carry on the conversation with yourself?
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Aug 24, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
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To be clear for the rest of us The Chief, are you suggesting that the "so-called drought" is just another government hoax?
For the most of the rest of the contributors to this thread, I appreciate the informed views and links to useful info.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 24, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
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Hoax.... No. Over stated for reasons of monetary and political purposes, well you think about it.
NOAA is now warning of a monster El Nino. The likes this state has not seen in a long time. What if anything has anyone here seen being done throughout CA to prepare to capture what may be the floods of the century etc.
Post em up if you got any. All I have seen here for the past 3-4 months is total doom. Nothing more.
Post like "Up to 25%". Instead of the truth of "8-27%" regarding how much CC may have contributed to the current conditions. Hell, even the media was printing headlines that read, "25% of Ca's drought is caused by CC". You people love to over inflate the truth and the reality of it all. Plain and simple. Enforce the NEGATIVITY. Make it all worse than it really is.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 24, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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how little precipitation in a year is required for the high country lakes to be at "normal level"?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 24, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Well Ed, you tell us. You got current data going back 50-100 years from the well over 425 bodies of water in the Sierra to make that happen Ed? All I know is that I have been to well over 50 higher elevation lakes in the eastside since opener and they all with the exception of one are doing just fine. And as TGT noted, they were fine last season and the season before. With all the creeks flowing at normal levels from those bodies of water.
That even local CAL F&G folks are surprised at the amounts of water up high.
There are even waterfalls in upper Rock Creek that I haven't seen flowing at the levels that have been this season since 2005.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 24, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
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The Chief...I know you are but what am I...? I know you are but what am I...? rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 24, 2015 - 09:17pm PT
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The Chief...You'll be freezing your ass off up there in the panhandle in Feb. and wishing you were back down here...We'll have the last laugh...PS...You won't see the much of the sun up there till summer so buy a pass at the local tanning booth....rj
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 24, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
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RJ... Sorry but NOT. Do your homework, Sandpoint, Hope, Clark Fork etc are all in the "Banana Belt" of the panhandle. Hot and dusty. Warmer than ... MML actually with 60-70% less snow and the lake/River never freezes. Fishing year round.
Oh, and there's plenty of water, lots of it actually.
HA HA HA HA.... AND a bigass HA!
http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/sandpoint/idaho/united-states/usid0230
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 24, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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The Chief...I'll let you be right for once...I spent a winter in priest river..it was 15 below most of the time...bitchin place and if i remember right there's a nice bakery in Hope....Jealous...rj
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 24, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
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Yup on the Bakery AND Hope. We're looking at Clark Fork. Three properties that are beyond Badass. And the locals, well we see eye to eye on just about everything. Can't wait....
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 24, 2015 - 10:06pm PT
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Chief Running Mouth knows fooking everything about fooking everything.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 25, 2015 - 12:36am PT
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old men talk about the weather,
young men are out chasin tail.
the Big Kahuna controls both of these,
chatter on about things you can not do anything about,
stoopid americans, you should be shopping in your SUV's or getting your white azz kicked off the wine train,
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CCT
Trad climber
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Aug 25, 2015 - 12:54am PT
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Chief is right. The water levels in the High Sierra lakes are just fine. They were fine last year too. If you find yourself at a Sierra "lake" with a seemingly low water level, look carefully. You will discover that you are actually at a reservoir.
I can't speak to the normal water level in the streams, because that's harder for a first-time visitor to assess.
I assume that the lake levels are normal because there are sufficient groundwater supplies to keep them full. Groundwater comes from melting snow. There wasn't much snow this year, but there was enough. There are also many small melting glaciers in the Sierras. Every year they get smaller, but as of this year, most of them do still exist, and they help stock the groundwater table every summer too.
Anyway, back to those full High Sierra alpine lakes. Most years, any excess groundwater that ends up in the lakes flows out via small streams. Those streams are what lead into our reservoirs.
If the streams leading into them are small, or nonexistent, our reservoirs don't get what they need for the summer. Combine that with low rainfall in winter, and you end up with the shockingly low reservoir levels that you see today. Those reservoirs look like giant gashes on the landscape, and it's not pretty.
One good El Nino will make a big dent. Even if it's all rain and no snow, our reservoirs are empty enough that they will catch most of it. But if winter rain instead of snow becomes the new normal for the Sierras, in the long run we will need to increase our reservoir capacity.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 25, 2015 - 01:27am PT
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what California needs is not bigger lakes but more people.
just pack as many as you can in there,
i mean til people are forced to stand up, elbow to elbow,
can we get the commute time up to 4 hours each way?
you'll get used to it if you do it every day for years on end,
just keep humping, ZPG? that's anti social and not very religious,
what are the population projections for California for the year 2194?
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Aug 25, 2015 - 06:45am PT
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I wish we could keep the old animosities out of this excellent on-going thread about the drought.
Good luck with that.
Despite the fact that there is still water in the lakes in the Sierra, there can be no doubt we are in drought conditions. At the end of June the snow conditions looked more like the end of September. Waist deep creek crossings are now ankle deep creek crossings. Side streams are dry. Lake outlets are super low or dry. Aspens are dying.
Anybody been to the Palisade Glacier this year?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 25, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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There's that persevering NEGATIVITY again. Keep it coming. Promote the doom Gary etal.
Do I need to post Norman Clyde's photos of the Palisade Glacier during the mid 30's when it far less in size than it is today, GARY!
Oh, and do not make mention of how if the floods come to socal this winter how the local and state gov'ts have made any effort to increase the capture capabilities. NONE!
It is going to be a laugh of all laughs to see how all the RIVER channels in LA are full to the brim, all the rescues that will be made etc and watch ALL them millions of gallons of water going straight to the... ocean. Just like it has for the past 60 or so years.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 25, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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Sprock is right... blame the almond farmers all ya want. BUT make no mention at the population growth or should I say how this state is making absolutely no provisions to deal with it in terms of water delivery to all venues that are thirsty for it in this grand Nation of California.
Sure do hope that Bullet Train is gonna be built on stilts.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 25, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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The California human population has not doubled in the past 20 years.
Thank god! It already contains the highest of all states in the entire nation. How much more can it hold? Seriously!
Instead of spending all that surplus tax revenue on a new train system, do you not think it would be far better for the nations most populated state to increase it's water delivery capabilities. Which ever way is best with the modern day technology available that does not destroy the environment.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 25, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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Who wants in on the ground floor (pun intended) of my soon to be announced
Cali Almond Growers' Water Well Derivative Swap Fund? It'll be huge, boys!
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