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raymond phule
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:29am PT
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"If you want every detail of how long each flight went off course (yes, about an hour for flight 93, close enough for casual chatting... and they WERE wildly off course as I recall) add them together, and you get SEVERAL hours off course... but that was somebodies else's points, not mine."
Cool 35 minutes is about an hour in rokjox's world.
edit: Sorry, your own link say only 30 minutes but I guess that is close enough to a week for you.
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raymond phule
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:39am PT
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"56 minutes for flight 93."
And your source is?
From your own link:
89) 9:35 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 goes off course near Cleveland, Ohio where it makes a 135 degree turn, and is now headed to the southeast. United Airlines Flight 93 is 375 miles from Newark, New Jersey and 280 miles from where it was now headed, Washington D.C.
117) 10:06:05 a.m.: According to seismic data, United Airlines Flight 93 crashes near Shanksville, Pennsylvania,
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:44am PT
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FAKT: The F-15's launched from Cape Cod were on AB at Mach 1.8 or so and
got 50 miles from Mahattan only to see the second impact.
FAKT: The F-16's launched from Edwards had no missiles loaded and only
116 rounds of hard points. The pilots were going to simultaneously
ram the tail and the cockpit but again were too late.
If you're calling those pilots liars and conspirators then you are a pathetic POS.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:53am PT
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If you're calling those pilots liars and conspirators then you are a pathetic POS.
If you're calling the firemen who stormed the burning Twin Towers liars for reporting explosions, then YOU are a pathetic POS.
And Reily, while you're at it, explain to us why the fighters were scrambled OUT TO SEA.
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raymond phule
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Sep 15, 2011 - 03:19am PT
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From rokjox other link
"My conclusion is, the manever looks possible, for guys like me and you. But for Hani? unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. "
Didn't a lot of people say that the turn was considered more or less as acro flying and very close to what is even possibly to do in a 757? Here we have a pilot that don't see any problem with the maneuver for a good pilot. Can't you guys have your facts right?
I also found another thing kind of strange. The 757 is supposed to have flown very close to the ground and flown into the low wall of pentagon. People seems to think this show that the pilot did a very good job controlling the airplane. I see no reason that the pilot goal was to perform that maneuver. A crash into any part of pentagon also from above would probably make similar or even more damage. So one possibility is that the pilot actually was about to miss his target but was lucky.
Rokjox, I don't know what to say. I just made a comment in regard to a video that you and other people really liked. The claim in the video was easy to understand and wrong. I have been clear all the time about talking about the time when the airplanes left its defined course and to impact. You are the person that mix about everything and don't seem to be able to understand anything at all.
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raymond phule
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Sep 15, 2011 - 05:04am PT
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Rokjox, you are clearly not able to understand much if anything. You mix posters, links, theories etc etc. Just one point
I just earlier agreed with some guy that the planes were wildly off course, and flying around for a long time. I really, honestly think that was the guys point, and his only point. I am sorry if the flights were not "off course" for exactly one hour. The times from the liftoff and from the hijackings were considerable to the crashes.
His only point was to suggest that the planes flow wildly of course for such a long time that it is impossibly to believe that real action with fighter jets to not be able to interact with the hijacked airplanes in time.
He tried to do this with using claims that where not true. He used over on hour when not a single of the planes flow wildly of course for over an hour. What he claims is of course important.
But I doubt that that you are going to understand any of this. I am not even sure that you still understand what video I am talking about and you have shown before that you don't seem to understand the purpose of that video.
Where is the pilot that says that?
From your link, pilotsfortruth or something like that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2011 - 11:01am PT
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K-man, What did I say in relation to any firefighters?
So answer my question. You calling the Air Force pilots liars?
How is the fixation with the planes being "off course" relevant to anything?
The two fighters from Cape Cod arrived about 5 minutes late. Even if they
had arrived a little earlier it would have been extremely difficult to
acquire their targets in a still crowded airspace especially with the highjacked
planes' transponders being turned off.
As to the highjackers' piloting skills once a jetliner is at cruise it doesn't
take a Chuck Yaeger to make it go where you want it to go if you have the
nav skills. It is a good thing they weren't good or smart because if they
had been they would have crashed into the WTC buildings down low and
prevented most people from escaping.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 15, 2011 - 11:54am PT
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Reily,
You posted a long quote from a Fire Battalion Chief that started out saying "Most of these 'explosive' sounds, heard during the collapses were heard after the collapses began."
This is calling the many, many firefighters who reported explosions before the collapse liars. A retired Battalion Chief, ignoring his own. So, it was my belief, that since you posted that article, that you went along with what he said, and that you believe the firemen who reported explosions before the initiation of the building collapse were liars. I don't think that's a leap to make that judgement.
According to Lawyer, 118 firefighters reported explosions. Many were in the buildings when they heard or saw them. So what is it, do you believe them, or do you think they are lying?
Upthread, I posted the transcripts of many of the reports. It goes on for pages. Yet you say that you KNOW 1 million percent, that the building did not fall due to explosives.
So again, I gather again that you think the reports of explosions were lies.
I didn't say a word about the fighter pilots, nor am I weighing in on any of this "planes off course" stuff.
The truth is, there should have been plenty of time for the airplanes to be intercepted--look at the Mineta testimony--and in fact, the fighters were scrambled out over the ocean.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:02pm PT
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Whoa there, K-man, we need to have a reading comprehension discussion.
While I am flattered with the association I think you confuse me with the
esteemed 'Riley', as in Wyna. He'a good egg but for his choice of domicile.
And the planes bit was for Rok's benefit. :-)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:05pm PT
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Reily!
Whoa, I need to take my medicine. You are right, I'm addressing two different folks as one.
So sorry.
(And to think that I promised to ditch this crazy thread...)
EDIT:
Let me add... For the OCT to be believed, you have to ignore and disregard the reports from many people, and the hard facts in photos and such. Even in the 9-11 Commission Report you can read where things were pushed aside.
It is my desire to look at ALL the evidence and take ALL the reports into account. This includes the fighter pilots statements, as well as Mineta's, the firefighters, yadda yadda.
You cannot cherry-pick what you want in order to come up with the explanation that you want. And this is what the Official Story does.
If that sits OK with you, fine. But for me, way too much sh#t has hit the fan because of 9-11 (loss or rights, militarization of the police, Homeland Security department spending ungodly amounts of cash), and I think we should all know exactly how that was let to happen.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
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I've nevered heard anything about "over the ocean" except that if you are
flying from Cape Cod to NYC at Mach 1.8 in the busiest airspace on the planet
you might well consider a slightly less direct route which would
take you "over the ocean". I seriously doubt that routing would add more
than 2 minutes to the trip at Mach 1.8.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2011 - 04:05pm PT
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The official explanation for the collapse of WTC7 by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) is false and has been thoroughly debunked.
The "REAL" truthers are the dumbshit idiots who completely believe the "OFFICIAL" version.
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Gene
climber
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Sep 17, 2011 - 04:12pm PT
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It was me. Sorry.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2011 - 04:18pm PT
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Conspiracy folks on the bottom:
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
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Yes they are on the bottom.
The "OFFICIAL" version fools are the real conspiracy truthers who have had what's left of any brain they carry raped and violated ......
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Sep 17, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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Khrist, another giant crater where a dead horse used to be.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 17, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
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Very, very important read and watch . . .
Barry Jennings Uncut
http://911blogger.com/node/16573
Watch the full uncut (20+min.) video with Barry Jennings. He goes through his entire time-line. The explosions in WTC 7 occurred before both towers came down. He goes into great detail on the entire experience.
GOD rest his soul. He told us the truth of what really happened in WTC 7 on 9-11-2001.
Jason Bermas and Alex Jones Discussing BBC Hit Piece
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/bermas_jason
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Real men read all the links.
The Official version fools never even looked at the 911 commission, FEMA or NIST reports.
They all just sat there and got spoon fed the drool gruel from those reports by some spook posers dressed as authority.
Ya all been owned and are still drooling .....
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