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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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I've yet to have a climate scientist ask me for money... or try to save me...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Hey blahblah,were you around 30 years ago?
Just curious,because these are the kind of winters we had then.A lot of people these days,have never seen winters like that of the 60's,70's and 80's.
I lived in Boulder in the early 90's,they had cold winters.
Besides,Chiloe's quote is comedy.
Edit; I hope you do not freeze.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Hey blahblah,were you around 30 years ago?
Just curious,because these are the kind of winters we had then.A lot of people these days,have never seen winters like that of the 60's,70's and 80's.
I lived in Boulder in the early 90's,they had cold winters.
Besides,Chiloe's quote is comedy.
Edit; I hope you do not freeze.
I moved to Boulder in January 1991, so I don't have personal experience as to the typical weather in the preceding decades.
It is an interesting phenomenon as to how people perceive the climate "now" compared to "then," then being 30 or 40 years ago or whatever.
I've had people who've lived here a long time (say lifers in their 50s or 60s or whatever) tell me that it was MUCH colder when they were kids than it is now.
I've sort of discounted that as "when I was a kid I walked 5 miles uphill to school each way through deep snow" stuff.
My reasoning is that even if you believe the Al Gore version of climate change, we're really only talking about very small changes over a person's lifetime.
And if you look at average temperatures of Boulder/Denver in the winter, they're pretty freaking warm!
Pretty much every year someone will say how we're not having a "real winter" until there's a very cold snap, apparently not understanding that average highs even in December and January are in the 40s, and we typically get lots of sun.
But I will give Chiloe and warmists one honest personal observation, which I've commented on in the past (and I think Chiloe has responded to):
I can believe there's been significant climate change that's affected ski conditions at the local ski areas.
There have been so many bad ski years in the decades I've lived here that I'm sort of skeptical that they would have built mega ski resorts in Summit and Eagle Counties, unless the ski conditions were better when they built the resorts than they are now (although this is shaping up to be a great year).
And I sorta believe there was a lot more snow on the ground in the Colorado mountains when I was here as a kid in the 70s and 80s than there typically is now.
In case it's not obvious, a certain amount of my posting on this thread is of the devil's advocate / trolling variety, as I do believe that various "scientists" have exaggerated climate change for their own benefit, and that there was at least some wrongdoing exposed in the infamous "Climategate" episode, notwithstanding the later government whitewashes.
In general, I'm on board with the "scientific method," but we should remember that there are lots of scandals involving "scientists," and that they'r just people like everyone else, with the same biases, etc.
Anyone who thinks scientists are saints should check out their behavior on this thread.
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I've yet to have a climate scientist ask me for money... or try to save me...
Maybe you don't pay taxes . . . I do.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Hey blah blah, back in the 1980s in Boulder it seemed like every winter would have long cold spells like this, or even colder. late 90s, long before I ever heard anything about climate change I was noticing how winters here seemed to be warmer. The current cold spell is very late in the season this winter, hence the broken records: it's extremely cold for February.
So, in that sense, it seems like your observations actually illustrate Chiloe's cartoon. "Look how cold it is!" Except that it isn't really, in the longer term.
You live in Boulder, it's real easy to learn about climate here, you're surrounded by hundreds of scientists.
You can start at that big pink building up on the hill. NCAR welcomes the public:
https://spark.ucar.edu/visit/ncar-public-tours
LASP (Lab for Atmospheric and Space Science) on the east campus (out on Foothills-Arapahoe) welcome visitors, too.
http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/about/visitor-information/
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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You can start at that big pink building up on the hill. NCAR welcomes the public:
https://spark.ucar.edu/visit/ncar-public-tours
That is an excellent idea and I'll have to check it out. Been there dozens of time for trail access, but never been inside. (I have read the interpretive weather signs on the little trail on the way to the Mesa Trail, for what that's worth!)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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blahblah,I can agree with you for the most part.
And yes,CC HAS changed skiing just about everywhere I have been in the lower 48.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Projections are like erections
If you have one;
you are either playing with yourself,or
getting ready to screw someone
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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YUP.... LARRY HAMILTON knows all about them lies and bullshet. Don't you LARRY!
Yes indeed The Chief, Chiloe probably knows more about the lies and misinformation being shoveled out by the Seven Sisters than you could even begin to fathom.
Too bad you don't see the lies for what they are. Instead you decide instead to eat 'em up like a Black Cow. But I will say, ignorance couldn't happen to a more fitting fellow.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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TGT, were you trying to make an analogy between prediction and erection--- or was it a freudian slip comparing your own tendency for psychological projection with erections.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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This thread is always good for a laugh.
It's always funny how the deniers use record weather events to point out there's no climate change. "hey they call it global warming but there's record cold weather, so it must not be true".
It's much easier to believe some grand conspiracy perpetrated by climate scientists (haha bespectacled science geeks are well known world wide hoaxers). It couldn't be that the Koch brothers and other energy industry bigwigs known for spewing propaganda are feeding their delusions.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Did the Chef say anything? Really.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Utter B.s. Ed. All based on "adjusted data". Try RSS or UAH in comparison to the model outputs and you get a much different picture.
EDIT: The above graph is by great Dr. Roy Spencer, one of the world's foremost authorities in climate science. As the graph shows it is for the tropics from 20N to 20S and it would be safe to assume the data it is based on is considerably less tortured than the data underpinning Ed's new favorite graph.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Well Fortmental, i consult the expert sources such as that linked below. Sea ice in the Arctic increases/decreases cyclically. The Inuit took advantage of very low levels of Arctic sea ice in the early medieval warm period to colonize most of the arctic in skin boats in very short order.
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/CryoSat/Arctic_sea_ice_up_from_record_low
Bruce, i find it a little unhealthy sitting in front of a keyboard arguing all day with fellow idiots, don't you? Been getting out most every day checking out archaeological sites and hunting with a few pitches of climbing belayed by my wife occasionally. It's a lot easier finding the Chukar if you can follow their prints in fresh snow, like today.
EDIT:That makes a little difference Ed. So how do you explain the rest of the agreement-are the models reducing their CO2 sensitivities and improving their accuracy in hindcasting by a tweak here and there?
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raymond phule
climber
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Anyway, I don't know much about intuition being the "next frontier" as a study but I'd love to find out. In a nutshell my understanding is that quality of intuition is intrinsically linked to a persons depth of experience, If this is true it explains the poor application and assumptions by the deniers.
Thinking fast and slow by Kahneman discuss intuition quite a lot.
What you write above seems correct. Experienced people can unconsciously draw very good conclusions from the information they receive.
Laymen on the other hand often came to completely wrong conclusions based on their intuition.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2014 - 10:40am PT
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Now to reiterate the fact that EXXONMOBILE was the #1 Sponsor at this years AGU getty up circle jerk along with TWO other BIG OIL COMPANIES which LARRY HAMILTON attended.
The Chief. You have a point here, right? So, what is it? Perhaps ExxonMobile was a sponsor for the event. That means... What?
You are belching pretty loudly about it. I'm sure you can articulate something that resembles logical reasoning here.
Or at least you can try I suppose.
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raymond phule
climber
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Obviously you Scientism & Spirit ignorant freaks will NOT get it.
Why don't you read the book? The author is a Nobel price winner so I guess that he knows something.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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The guy thinks Harley is a great bike, there is no logic in him.
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