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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Thanks Bruce for keeping me updated on Rob Ford's doings?
Isn't there some way he call be recalled or something by the people of Toronto?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mary Robinson: I’m involved in an active network of people who are interested in these issues on climate justice. And we keep saying to ourselves, in most countries, of Europe and the United States, why are people not more aware?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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For my donation tonight to the ongoing debate over "The Pause" - whether its an actual natural cooling following a largely natural warming, whether it exists or can be explained away as the warmists are furiously spinning, its probable duration, its extent of cooling from the high of 1998. Here is Don Easterbrook's take on the above. He is a geology professor that has prolific publications on glaciology and global climate change. By the way, he was one of the first to call the pause in 2000 and has specific predictions for the coming decades based on previous cycles in the PDO, ENSO, and solar variability. It is a lengthy paper and has been attacked ad nauseum by the cowards of climate doom.
http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/easterbrook_climate-cycle-evidence.pdf
The reason i wanted to see you face to face is to see if you had the guts to hurl lies and insults in person, Bruce. I think you are just another internet turd, but would be very willing to hear if you have any facts to back up your b.s.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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I think you are just another internet turd, but would be very willing to hear if you have any facts to back up your b.s.
that's hilarious Rick. thanks for the laughs.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Lies Bruce?, just about every other word out of your keyboard is a lie, starting with your misrepresentation of yourself as a self educated psychologist.Your attacks follow the well established scripts of Grist.org and other prominent weather wacko websites. You haven't even a basic understanding of even the most prominent mechanism's responsible for the ever changing climate on earth, despite 5 years on this website where you ignored a real opportunity for self education in favor of ideological political attacks, whose form is not even of your own creation. Hell, when Ed challenged me to give figures for temperature change of water in freefall you didn't even have the presence of mind to consider kinetic energy/friction, instead offering up a lame adiabatic lapse rate in answer.You don't have the slightest idea what is in the minds and hearts of man, only what is missing in yours. You relentlessly attack religion,political affiliation, ideology, opinion, education or lack thereof, and these attacks are somehow meant in your mind to highlight the backwardness and intolerance of others you deem in the conservative camp. Instead it only highlights your own ignorance, intolerance, and inability to see beyond the boundaries of your own narrow minded ideology.
I never represented myself as anything but an interested layman that had read a good amount on the subject and who had come to the conclusion that that CAGW climate science is driven by careers, greed, ideology and used and directed for political purposes.Anything beyond this was your's and Chiloes et al invention when i refused to withdraw in discouragement after personal attack.
The last time i went through customs in Vancouver they grilled me for purpose of visit, length of visit, and wanted names of those in the wedding party i was attending. I'm sure they would frown when i tell them i am entering their dear country to argue with commies. Unlike the U.S., your country seems to run a tight ship.
Now back to the science-did anyone read that excellent presentation of Don Easterbrook and does anyone have their own predictions, based on any combination of pro warmist papers, to offer up in contrast to Easterbrook's. Skip the typical b.s. grist.org type attacks-substance please.
Edit: Ed i'm sure you have your own ideas based on this peer reviewed citation or that. My answer is both these periods had their ebbs and flows in response to decadal length ocean oscillations and varying solar radiance, magnetism, solar wind speed and density etc, but the MWP is generally recognized to have occured between approx. 800 and 1300 a.d. with temps on average higher than the modern era and the LIA is generally considered to behave as i just described for the MWP, with ebbs and flows, occuring between approx. 1300 and 1850 a.d. with temps on average over 1c less than today. Despite efforts to marginalize and localize these periods there are hundreds of papers documenting their occurence, and degree of difference from the present, from all corners of the globe.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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He is a geology professor that has prolific publications on glaciology and global climate change. Nothing beclowns a man faster than citing Easterbrook as authority on climate change.
attacked ad nauseum by the cowards of climate doom. One of Rick's cowards, a guy who hides behind the pen name "Bob Tisdale," called a recent Easterbrook graph "bogus." And now Tisdale has written at (characteristically) great length on why Easterbrook's graph (like many others Easterbrook has prepared) is a fake.
I raised a few eyebrows a couple of weeks ago by complaining loudly about a graph of global surface temperature anomalies (among other things) that was apparently created to show global cooling over a period when no global cooling existed. My loud and persistent complaints were in response to Figure 4 from Don Easterbrook’s post Cause of ‘the pause’ in global warming at WattsUpWithThat. In response to my reaction to his graph (and other things), Don Easterbrook wrote the post Setting the record straight ‘on the cause of pause in global warming’, which did not address my concerns.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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What was the rate of warming? Have you looked up "statistical significance" yet?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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For example, Easterbrook posts one of his "global cooling" graphs:
Tisdale, less gullible than Rick, wonders WTF? And then figures out Easterbrook's recipe:
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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The Cowtan and Way method. What is the Cowtan and Way method? In your own words?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Good to see that our sociologist/weather wacko friend, Larry, is now regularly visited the enemy camp websites, at least WUWT. There might be hope for you after all Larry. Yes, as you noted, the participants on that site are almost as relentless in criticism of each other as they are of CAGW scientism. That is a good thing, the way science was conducted in the pre political take over days. Easterbrooks paper is somewhat simplistic in over reliance on just ocean oscillations and solar variability, his graphics can be quite crude, and his exxageration on the CAGW model outputs tend towards the high side-but not more than the hysreical pronouncements of mouthpeices like Gore and Hansen. This aside he is on to something, the mechanisms of which even Trenberth is somewhat acknowledging as he confirms the pause which is actually a cooling that overpowers the feeble effects of increases in the still miniscule amounts of atmospheric CO2. He did predict the pause starting in 2000 and is calling for another couple decades of it which he claims may result in a reduction to global temps back to where the hysteria started in the 1970's.
Have a good day folks. I'm off to track chukars in the fresh snow.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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his graphics can be quite crude Didn't even read Tisdale, did you?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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In reality, Easterbrook's graphics are famous not for being crude, but for being dishonest. That's what even his fellow denialist Tisdale is calling him on in the WUWT exchange that I quoted. Tellingly, most of the WUWT commenters can't read either Tisdale's or Easterbrook's graphs so they don't get what this fuss is about, and show that by making non sequitur comments. Exactly what Rick does above.
Previous Easterbrook graphical follies include a series of badly mislabeled GISP2 temperature graphs, with errors he kept repeating even after they had been repeatedly pointed out to him. Some Easterbrook graphs evidently were copied without attribution from Wikipedia, then deceptively edited -- but so crudely you could see the pixel evidence where Easterbrook had erased key information from the original graphic.
For example, here is one Easterbrook graphic:
Here is the original he copied:
The GISP2 temperature reconstruction does not go up to 0 years before present, as graphs at this scale seem to suggest. It actually ends with 1855, in the Little Ice Age. The original graphic (lower image) is clear about that by including an arrow at far right marking the temperature in 2004, on the same scale. It goes further by including an inset graph showing "recent proxies" for a closer view of the past 2000 years, again with the most recent point marked. But as you can see in the upper image above, Easterbrook erased both the inset graph and even the "2004" label in the main graph to give his readers the impression that 1855 temperature represent the present, and therefore that the present is cooler than the recent past.
Scientifically literate readers also noticed that these graphs are reconstructions of temperature at the summit of the Greenland Ice Sheet; they are not global temperatures. But if you're neither science literate nor numerate, you won't see any problems and none of this sciency stuff matters.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Easterbrook's antics have been an embarrassment to faculty in the Geology Department at Western Washington University. So much that they took the extraordinary step of writing this letter. Note that they specifically mention his deceptive graphs.
On March 26, 2013, a long-retired faculty member of our department, Don Easterbrook, presented his opinions on human-caused global climate change to the Washington State Senate Energy, Environment and Telecommunications Committee at the invitation of the committee chair Sen. Doug Ericksen, R.-Ferndale. We, the active faculty of the Geology Department at Western Washington University, express our unanimous and significant concerns regarding the views espoused by Easterbrook, who holds a doctorate in geology; they are neither scientifically valid nor supported by the overwhelming preponderance of evidence on the topic. We also decry the injection of such poor quality science into the public discourse regarding important policy decisions for our state's future; the chair of the committee was presented with numerous options and opportunities to invite current experts to present the best-available science on this subject, and chose instead to, apparently, appeal to a narrow partisan element with his choice of speaker.
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Easterbrook's views, as exemplified by his Senate presentation, are a stark contrast to that standard; they are filled with misrepresentations, misuse of data and repeated mixing of local vs. global records. Nearly every graphic in the hours-long presentation to the Senate was flawed, as was Easterbrook's discussion of them. For example, more than 100 years of research in physics, chemistry, atmospheric science and oceanography has, via experiments, numerous physical observations and theoretic calculations, clearly demonstrate - and have communicated via the scientific literature - that carbon dioxide is a powerful greenhouse gas; its presence and variations in Earth's atmosphere have significant and measureable impacts on the surface temperature of our planet. Alternatively, you can take Easterbrook's word - not supported by any published science - that the concentration and effects of carbon dioxide are so small as to not matter a bit.
In a specific example, Easterbrook referred to a graph of temperatures from an ice core of the Greenland ice sheet to claim that global temperatures were warmer than present over most of the last 10,000 years. First, this record is of temperature from a single spot on Earth, central Greenland (thus it is not a "global record"). Second, and perhaps more importantly, Easterbrook's definition of "present temperature" in the graph is based on the most recent data point in that record, which is actually 1855, more than 150 years ago when the world was still in the depths of the Little Ice Age, and well before any hint of human-caused climate change.
As the active faculty of the Western Washington University Geology Department that he lists as his affiliation, we conclude that Easterbrook's presentation clearly does not represent the best-available science on this subject, and urge the Senate, our state government, and the citizens of Washington State to rely on rigorous peer-reviewed science rather than conspiracy-based ideas to steer their decisions on matters concerning our environment and economic future.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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"Have you looked up" statistical significance"yet?"
That is a classic ,thanks Chiloe.
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Are our Global Warming wishful thinkers bundled up for another
round of epic snow storms? Hurry temps are dropping kids.
Portland OR getting buried in snow this PM.
On average they say it gets as much as Atlanta which is
reason to worry a bunch tonight.
Lets see if they have their act together or will they
geek it like Atlanta did?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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That is a classic ,thanks Chiloe.
Chiloe's full of "classics" -- got more tricks up his sleeve than David Blaine, but without the charming personality!
I like the little cartoon that's he's posted a few times about the weather in St. Louis and people being allegedly surprised when it's "cold" compared to the very recent past, but not cold compared to the slightly more remote past.
Really scary stuff, the climate is changing dramatically year-by-year, but like the frog being boiled alive, most of "us" are too stupid to realize it! Better give more money to the climate "scientists" so they can save us!!
Well a little problem with his cartoon is that we've got record cold here in Boulder right now (yesterday), and they've been keeping records here since the late 1800s I reckon.
Cue a snarky comment, then he'll wait a few days, then post his silly cartoon, and Wilbeer will again admire another Chiloe "classic."
You guys keep patting yourselves on the back and yucking it up--I'm just hoping not to freeze to death this winter!
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