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mojede
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Butte, America
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:00am PT
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"The Venus Project" (first hit on google) is pretty interesting--though, I don't think that most people's consciousness on/of the planet could handle it right now:-(
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:05am PT
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A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
A classic troll tries to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. A troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.
While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate.
He (and in at least 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:07am PT
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Boy, musta been a slow day in politics...this shite is better than watching 'Lost'...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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oh, i gotta ask. who is "kofi?"
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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I was talking almost directly to you, fattrad.
Find "Tim Jackson - Prosperity without Growth" pdf. Read it.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:28am PT
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Comicscragsman
Social climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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So are you back to full speed TROLL again, Lois?
Did you KNOTT learn anything?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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Hei LEB
The good news just keeps coming in. Check this out.
WASHINGTON -- Rep. Patrick Kennedy Dem-RI has decided not to seek re-election after eight terms in Congress, saying his life is "taking a new direction" just months after the death of his father and mentor, Sen. Edward Kennedy.
The Rhode Island Democrat taped a message with his decision to be aired on Rhode Island's television stations Sunday night. The Associated Press viewed the message Thursday, ahead of the announcement.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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17 in 4hrs--you're faltering, leb, and it ain't pretty...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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Who or whatever LEB is...is plain as day that it is really a sick human being.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Feb 12, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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Nighty Nite already.
Jeezus.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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We do have a very serious problem. Our educational system has largely collapsed.
We are not going to be able to live amicably with and compete with the people all over the world who are pulling themselves up from desperation using their courage, grit and sheer determination. I have worked with such people here in the US. It has been an honor.
Edit:
I have not followed the latest business with Lois closely. I came on this thread when I did because it keeps the number of OT threads to a minimum. I would like to say this much. During Lois' first period here she came back positively and cheerily regardless of what was thrown her way. She used too many words for my taste but c'est la vie.
Then she left and came back telling us she had learned how to be here. In both Lois I and Lois II it has been self-apparent she can dish it out as well as anyone.
As to her politics we cannot know all that is going on. We do want to be a Democracy don't we? In one of those, everyone gets to choose. Now here is the catch.
Each of us also gets the further responsibility
to do what is needed in the interest of all.
Cause we are stuck with each other.
Just like here.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 12, 2010 - 01:17am PT
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Well said jstan.
Side observation: did Bill Clinton fly to Canada for treatment for his heart
problem? No. He stayed here because we've got the best health care.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 12, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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CC, Newfoundland is a relatively small, remote and not wealthy province, although the latter is changing. Still, just like patients in small, rural and less wealthy states in the US, patients in Newfoundland are sometimes referred elsewhere for treatment that simply isn't available there. (Our medical system ensures that there is funding to smooth out such things.) Often elsewhere in the Maritimes, or to Ontario or Quebec, sometimes to the US. It's no big deal.
Patients are very infrequently referred to the US for treatments that aren't available at all in Canada, although it's very unusual. And sometimes patients in rural border areas, or areas whose hospitals are temporarily full, are sent to the US - as patients in rural areas in the US near the border, or where hospitals are full in the US, are sometimes sent to Canada.
So the premier of Newfoundland going to the US for health care is no big deal, and in any case, an individual case doesn't prove anything about health care.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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"No. He stayed here because we've got the best health care."
And he can afford it, too.
No-one is arguing whether the US has the best healthcare in the world, cchopper. That's a gimme, and there's plenty of objective statistics to support it.
The US has the best healthcare in the world...if you can afford it. When it comes to emergent, critical system problems such as Clinton's bypass a couple of years ago, or chronic, debilitating disease (i.e. cancer), you can't do better than the US. No argument.
As long as you can afford it.
Where the US falls flat and somewhere in line with Zimbabwe is when it comes to early detection, prevention, and accessibility to 'maintenance' care such as check ups and minor treatments.
Of course, this distinction is lost on you, because, well, you are just lost.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 12, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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So many good points coming up.
I think we probably do have the fundamentals of extremely good medical care. NIH, for one thing, has been well funded by the taxpayer and this has been central to our progress. There is one area where we are becoming ever more deficient, in a deadly way, due simply to the disorder in our system. If you are over eighty or eighty five plan on dying at home. Whatever your problem, you will live longer at home.
At a hospital older people soon die of pneumonia. I saw one experiment wherein the incidence of this disease dropped by a huge factor, when the hospital and all the surfaces in it were cleaned regularly.
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