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Wade Icey
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he high school geek who's only piece of ass ever was that one blow job. Only to be immediately dumped because of his ridiculously tiny and impotent dick, never to see the jocks girl friend or any chick, for that matter, again. To this day.
this explains a lot.
If one does not believe in and accept the Truth nor choose to live by it, Science becomes a joke.
No Chef, One becomes a science joke.
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Wade Icey
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probably grounds for a banning.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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And in your case, FUKEDTARDMENTAL, you suffer from coming to terms with and accepting reality.
And like it or not, The Chief is just the person to tell you what reality is.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Have we always had so many angry, intolerant people in our society?
Yes.
Are we just seeing more of it because of the internet?
No.
Yes, we are. Because, before internet one only saw them one at a time, or a few maybe. Now one sees a whole bunch collected at one spot, and it's easier to spout anger and intolerance and hatred. And to mob.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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I have a question for Ed. Can you suggest an accurate source that explains the our current understanding of climate change and its causes in terms that a layman can understand. I have only the most basic understanding of science and statistics, and the overwhelming amount of information and disinformation out there makes it EXTREMELY difficult for me (and I think most folks) to discern truth from fiction and understand what is really going on with our environment.
Thanks, Ed. I really appreciate all your posts on this subject. Your posts on Fukushima were also top notch and very educational.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ed asks-"What's your beef, assuming the CAGW scientists are right"? Ed, my friend, where is the beef? I mean, you have thousands of scientists feeding at the AGW trough (as The Chief repeatedly pictures), billions and billions in modeling and the overwhelming majority is dead wrong in predictives. Don't give me anymore of the "infill soy substitute B.S.", i want, we all want the real beef. Give us what you haven't been able to do in the five years of your defensive attendance on this thread-testable predictives-verifiable proof. You might start by searching sites like that linked below-opposite of your and babblin Bruce's ideology.Some of the articles are pretty interesting.
http://www.c3headlines.com/
EDIT-Because i like humor Bruce and the cartoonish appearance of the props on this site reminds me of the hilarity of the endless contortions CAGW goes through as one after another failure of their theory appears.
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raymond phule
climber
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Why don't you just link to your favorite site once in a while instead of quoting short sections from it?
Why do you choose to quote some regional climate data without even commenting on it? Do you think that the data have important implications? If that's the case it would be interesting if you actually said why the data are important?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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If you're watching Arctic sea ice this is a sleepy time of year, still cold and dark in the North. So far 2014 temperatures there have been on the "warm" side,
and ice area consequently a bit low, comparable to where 2007 and 2012 (the previous record holders) were on this date.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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The decline in Arctic sea ice through the satellite era is often cited as a symptom of global warming. The negative correlation between Arctic temperature and Arctic sea ice has been clear, as illustrated in the graph below where I plot the mean annual northern hemisphere sea ice anomaly, and the mean annual north polar region lower troposphere temperature anomaly.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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But sea ice area around Antarctic has not been declining, doesn't that argue against global warming?
Anyone who follows the science knows several reasons why it doesn't; I mentioned some of the most recent research in a post from last fall's AGU meetings.
But it occurred to me there might be a simpler way to show the problem with that "Antarctica ... therefore no warming!" meme. Just this: Arctic sea ice has been declining as northern polar region temperatures rise, as graphed above. In other words there is a negative correlation between Arctic sea ice and air temperature, as anyone would expect.
Around the Antarctic, on the other hand, ice area shows little correlation with temperature. The record high area last year coincided with some of the warmest air temperatures in the satellite record, as graphed below. Whatever is causing Antarctic sea ice area to increase (and scientists have many ideas), it clearly is not a sign of cooling.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Yes, that seems likely in two ways -- both the ice shelves calving which helps create new sea ice, and subglacial runoff or melting beneath the shelves freshening surface waters which are therefore easier to freeze. There probably are other factors as well, such as the observed changes in winds.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Ok Sketch, I will agree it was the 3rd coldest dec/jan in 30 years,nationally.
How does this prove anything outside of natural variability as Ed has already asked?
And while nationally it was the third coldest,I for one would like an explanation of how we here in the finger lakes lost our snow cover 3 times and had 4 different rain events in that same record cold period.
I will admit ,when it was not warm ,it was pretty GD cold.
There was no middle ground in temps,Several of my skiing friends had mentioned,"what ever happened to the good ole 18f,high pressure days?".
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Ed's right. Science and religion are completely orthogonal.
I always figure that faith, by definition, is a belief in something for which there is no evidence.
Faith in a god is not lost just because social or legal constraints kick in. Like, say, when the mormons quit polygamy under pressure from the feds, or when the Pope quite believing that all the universe centered around the Earth.
The concept of faith can, in fact, be reinforced, strengthened by such challenges. Since the central premise, that god exists, can never be disproved, the core validity of the faith is never really challenged. One can revel in still having faith, despite all the challenges.
Trust is a belief that something (or someone) will behave in a certain way. It's adaptable to changing circumstances. I trust that climbing ropes never break. I trust that my friend will not steal from me. Trust is correlated with personal judgement, experience.
Challenges to trust (such as that story of a gym rope breaking a year or so back) make me question this trust. Questioning how much I should trust a rope is inconvenient, but nothing that can't be worked around, by, say, using a fatter/stronger rope, or retiring ropes sooner. If a friend steal from me, I reassess that friendship accordingly.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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To get back to science (and climate) how about this:
When sketch posted this:
The winter months of December 2013 and January 2014 averaged over the contiguous 48 United States were the 3rd coldest Dec/Jan in the last 30 years.
The analysis is based upon ~350 NOAA/NWS stations that measure temperatures every 6 hours (or more frequently), many located at airports.
The act of posting this carries the implication that it is relevant to this thread, ie climate change. By questioning not the content but the authors the content's implication--that cold weather in December weakens the case for global warming--is left unchallenged.
Which is a shame, as going closer to the source, here:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/12
One finds a very different story: North America was indeed cold but this was more than compensated for by warm temps elsewhere, enough that:
"The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for December 2013 was the third highest for December since records began in 1880, at 0.64°C (1.15°F) above the 20th century average of 12.2°C (54.0°F)."
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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the ice in my Scotch is melting!!!!!111666
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Yes, your damned false god of CAGW must be destroyed and killed.For tonight, let's again hear what a real climatologist has to say about the religion that Mentalcase and Bruce blindly follow as if in a trance, answering the happy hour siren to their scotch on the rocks.
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really?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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"One finds a very different story: North America was indeed cold but this was more than compensated for by warm temps elsewhere"
Crunch,thanks for that.
It is one of the reasons I said nationally.[which was correct]
Some here confuse weather with climate,as do some who do the same with global and national.
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