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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:29am PT
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Waiting on Ron to show credible verification of his statement that
President Obama "coddles" illegals..
WHAT LEGISLATION has Obama signed that CODDLES, RON.
I have asked you this twice now.
Surely you are not one of those dumbass, dipshits who just makes up
stuff about people and throws it around without verifying the truth?
You aren't one of THOSE, are you Ron?
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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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leb, you should be flattered
not squirming.
and be sure to check
the link from post #19.
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jstan
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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A while ago I posted about the eleven new high speed rail lines China is building.
From Bloomberg:
‘Invincible’ High-Speed Trains Steal China Southern’s Customers
By Bloomberg News
Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- China Southern Airlines Co., the nation’s largest carrier, and Air China Ltd. are slashing prices to compete with the country’s new high-speed trains in a battle that Europe’s airlines have largely already ceded.
Competition from trains that can travel at 350 kilometers per hour (217 miles per hour) is forcing the carriers to cut prices as much as 80 percent at a time when they are already in a round of mergers to lower costs. Passengers choosing railways over airlines will also erode a market that Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS are banking on to provide about 13 percent of plane sales over the next 20 years.
“There’s no doubt that high-speed rail will defeat airlines on all the routes of less than 800 kilometers,” said Citigroup Inc. analyst Ally Ma. “The airlines must get themselves in shape, increase their profitability and improve the network.”
China Southern cut economy-class tickets to 140 yuan ($21) from 700 yuan on flights between Guangzhou and Changsha after a high-speed train started on the route in December. The trip now takes 2 1/2 hours by train instead of 9.
“The high-speed train is invincible on this route,” said Tom Lin, 30, a civil servant in Guangzhou, who opted to travel by rail. “There’s no doubt it’s more convenient for trips to the cities along the line. Airlines can’t compete with trains for the spacious seats.”
Nationwide, China’s railways will likely handle 210 million journeys during the on-going 40-day spring festival travel period, as migrant workers head home for the Lunar New Year holidays, according to the official People’s Daily.
Air France, Lufthansa
In Europe, when train routes have been cut to three hours or under by the introduction of high-speed lines, airlines have either seen their share slashed or quit flying the route altogether. In 2002, as the Paris-to-Brussels route became faster, Air France SA dropped its five daily services between the two cities. Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Germanwings quit the Paris to Stuttgart route after rail travel got faster.
High-speed railways will connect all of China’s provincial capitals and cities with more than 500,000 citizens by 2020, serving more than 90 percent of the population, the Ministry of Railways said.
High-Speed Dream
A third high-speed line from Zhengzhou to Xi’an started operation on Feb. 6. Other lines will follow including a link from Beijing to Shanghai that may undercut one of Air China and China Eastern Airlines Corp.’s most profitable routes. The ministry aims to spend 700 billion yuan on rail this year and add more than 18,000 kilometers (11,185 miles) of high-speed track by 2020 -- enough to go almost halfway round the world.
“I dream of China running high-speed lines,” said Philippe Mellier, president of trainmaker Alstom SA’s transport sector. “The ministry won’t stop.”
China’s 8.7 percent economic growth last year is fuelling an expansion of airports even as trains gain customers. Investment in airport and aviation facilities will rise 50 percent to 90 billion yuan this year, according to the aviation regulator. A total of 25 airports, including a second one in Beijing, will start construction this year.
The airports will handle more planes. China ordered 160 Airbus aircraft worth $17 billion in November 2007. Boeing has a 2005 deal for as much as $9 billion of planes.
Domestic passenger traffic on airlines grew 22 percent last year, said Laurence Barron, head of Airbus China.
“With this kind of growth; the planes are full,” said Barron. “I expect in future the planes will remain full and the trains will be full and the roads will be full and the ships will be full. This country needs transport.”
Boeing, Airbus
Chinese airlines may need 3,770 new aircraft worth $400 billion in the 20 years from 2009, according to Boeing. Airbus forecasts a need for 3,272 new planes in that time.
“We have considered the potential impact of high-speed rail in our forecast,” said Randy Tinseth, Boeing’s vice president of marketing. “This impact is especially strong for cities which are within 500 kilometers of each other.”
As trains win more passengers on shorter routes, the process of consolidation in the airline industry may accelerate.
China Eastern merged with smaller local rival Shanghai Airlines Co. last year. A state-owned group including Sichuan Airlines Group in November bought private carrier United Eagle Airlines Co., now renamed Chengdu Airlines.
“We have been encouraging consolidation,” said Xia Xinghua, deputy director at Civil Aviation Administration of China, in Singapore on Feb. 1. “We encouraged the merger of China Eastern and Shanghai Air if it helps cut costs.”
Rail Expansion
China had 86,000 kilometers of track at the end of last year, making it the world’s second-biggest railway network after the U.S. The rail ministry plans to increase that to 120,000 kilometers by 2020.
Guangzhou-based China Southern is planning to add more long-haul and international flights to contend with competition from the expanding high-speed train network. New routes to Southeast Asia, Europe, North America and Australia are under consideration. China Eastern is adding shuttle services on 26 routes to compete with high-speed rail, President Ma Xulun said on Feb. 8.
While trains are still slower, they run to city centers, cutting out commuting time to airports. The trip from Beijing to Shanghai will be cut to 4 hours by rail, from 10, according to the rail ministry. That may encourage travelers like Robert Gardner, who works for Nasdaq-listed Chinacast, to go by rail.
“This is China; you make plans based on the assumption that you won’t get there on time,” said Gardner, 25, as he was herded onto a bus to another airport on Jan. 26 after his Air China flight at Shanghai Pudong Airport was canceled. “Taking the train would be something I would seriously consider because it potentially could be faster. And it’s more reliable.”
--Irene Shen. With assistance from Andrea Rothman in Toulouse, France, Sabine Pirone in London, Rob Delaney in Toronto, Wendy Leung in Hong Kong, Nerys Avery in Beijing. Editors: Adam Majendie, Bret Okeson
To contact the reporter on this story: Irene Shen in Shanghai at ishen4@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: February 10, 2010 06:07 EST
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Dr.Sprock
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Sprocketville
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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ok, remember the Yahoo Republic is on their black bashing campaign,
tiger is roasted, then some 10 year old statement by Jerry Rice is dredged up the day before the super bowl,
now, after the game is over, we dredge up Michael Vick, the nasty Black dog killer,
you think i'm full of bs, just watch, they will go after oprah next.
hey Yahoo, were onto you guys, thats sad.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Norton, the chart you posted would be much improved if it included the figures for Clinton.
As for LEB v bvb? I laugh robustly!
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apogee
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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Yahoo is definitely on the right end of the media spectrum these days. Not sure exactly when it happened or why, but there has been a noticeable trend in content of late.
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apogee
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Feb 11, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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"I honestly do not have a clue..."
Ya got that right, sistah...we been tryin' to tell you that for years!
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apogee
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Feb 11, 2010 - 01:38am PT
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The Repug-controlled media is doing everything they can to bury the footage of Obama pwning them all at the Retreat in Baltimore. But I know that you, as discerning, objective ST polititards, want to see it for yourself. So here it is:
Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions
First Posted: 01-29-10 03:12 PM
President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics.
White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the "cameras to roll like that" was a "mistake."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/transcript-of-president-o_n_442423.html
Come on, Repugs...do you dare watch it????
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apogee
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Feb 11, 2010 - 01:53am PT
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Overall, I have not been particularly enthralled with Obama's 'consensus building' approach to leadership.
But goll-dang!!! Watching him shred the sh*t outta those House Repugs, at their own Retreat, on their own turf....that's the kinda hopey-changey thing I voted for!!!!11111
A couple of golden, classic lines:
"There was an interesting headline in CNN today: "Americans disapprove of stimulus, but like every policy in it." And there was a poll that showed that if you broke it down into its component parts, 80 percent approved of the tax cuts, 80 percent approved of the infrastructure, 80 percent approved of the assistance to the unemployed."
"Wasteful spending is spending that doesn't happen in your district"
On HR: "If you were to listen to this debate, and frankly, how some of you went after this bill, you'd think this was some kind of Bolshevik plot!"
"So just a tone of civility instead of slash and burn would be helpful. The problem we have sometimes is a media that responds only to slash-and-burn-style politics."
Can someone remind me of the time when Shrub had the ballz to go to a Dem Retreat and do the same thing? Of course not- that would require the ability to think on one's feet, and speak extemporaneously...not something Shrub was known for.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Feb 11, 2010 - 07:03am PT
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now we know why barry's team missed the underwear bomber...they were focused on the real threat to national security...pro-life groups planning a rally:
http://www.lifenews.com/state4796.html
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 10:00am PT
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Morning Bookworm!
Why don't you talk about the worst terror attack in US History.
You know, the one on 9/11/01 when the IDIOTS that YOU voted for
ignored all the warning signs and ALLOWED 4000 Americans to DIE.
THAT ATTACK.
Obama has been in office one year,and a guy LIT HIS PANTS ON FIRE.
DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE? DO YOU GET IT?
Maybe YOU should GO to school, rather than "teach" anyone else?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 10:01am PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 11, 2010 - 10:04am PT
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So Norton believes that founding a party 200 years ago to eliminate slavery was.
"stupid"
Where's your white sheet and pointy hat?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 10:15am PT
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Oh, the picture does "stretch" the time horizon on stupidity, granted.
But the assertion rings even more true nowadays.
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Jim E
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Feb 11, 2010 - 10:40am PT
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So, bookworm, what exactly is wrong with doing a threat assessment on those anti-choice groups? Those sorts of groups have been know to blow up clinics and straight out murder people.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Feb 11, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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Apogee,
I'm not sure Obama is looking for consensus as much as he is looking for accomplices. It will take a mountain of very bitter medicine to get the economy under control once the inevitable inflation really hits. If these actions can be bipartisan, the voters won't blame the Democrats. If they're unilaterally Democratic, the voters will pin all the blame on the Demos, even though the causes of the problem were the faults of both parties.
John
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bvb
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flagstaff arizona
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Feb 11, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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when does leb get back? i'm bored.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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Ron, I clicked on the link and scanned everything.
I did not see anything there that proved your statement.
Name the legislation that OBama signed and Congress passed that
"coddles' illegal immigrants.
This is the THIRD time I have asked you for this verification.
Showing a link to a right wing biased internet general new source
is NOT proving your statement.
AGAIN, WHAT LEGISLATION did he sign?
And Fatty, you are an economic moron, and are best IGNORED
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apogee
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Feb 11, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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John, it takes two parties to create deadlock- while the Repugs have been extraordinary in their obstructionist efforts, the Dems have demonstrated their fair share of exclusionary tactics as well.
Did you watch Obama's visit to the House Repubs Retreat in Baltimore (link above)? I know it's a bit long, but if any of the ST Repubs might make the time to watch it (or part of it), I'd figure it would be you.
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