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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 13, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
Prominent Republican acknowledges reality: literally news.

Only to Democrats.
;-)

John
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 13, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
Love to see her comments on Robert Louis Dear.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 13, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
I don't know who Lois is or Louis or whoever you are referring to.

I don't understand why you think that whatever you are doing is rational debate, while my comments, suggestions and observations are not.

You generally won't see me comment on much related to the Republican candidate vs the Democrat candidate because I find that akin to critiquing the music being played while the Titanic sinks. I prefer to focus on the big picture.

I'm sorry that you have apparently come to the conclusion that there is no chance that the U.S. can return to a land of personal liberty, individual freedom and a minimal or even reduced government. But that doesn't mean I will stop advocating for it.

If you want this thread to simply be an expression of thoughts and support for totalitarianism, that's fine. I'm happy to bow out just like I'm not going to comment on thread regarding how great sport climbing is.

But you show your ass when you just take pot shots then complain that I'm incapable of rational debate.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2016 - 02:53pm PT
^^^^^Another fine example of not caring what we think.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 13, 2016 - 02:57pm PT
Go lie down.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 13, 2016 - 03:43pm PT

hddj
I've been quite aware of what's been going on in the world in the
last 6 or 7 years.

My question is who invited her to the State of the Union speech.
I don't think it was a Demotard. . .
Norton

Social climber
Jan 13, 2016 - 03:57pm PT
Take another hike, Lous

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 13, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
It is pretty easy for the religious right to pull the strings and have their republican puppet dance on over to get Kim Davis invited. It would be interesting to know which one it was.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 13, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
Super PAC's, Citizens United etc. are destroying democracy in this country. We are being sold down the river by the uber-rich, and the Supreme Court isn't doing a damn thing about it, because they are owned as well.

Skull and Bones are the real rulers of the US. They own both sides and can orchestrate any sort of drama that suites their designs, anywhere in the world. The rest are just pawns.

The NWO is already here.

dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2016 - 04:55pm PT
Cruz is now officially f*#ked, royally.


But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports.



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?_r=0
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2016 - 06:52pm PT
Escopeta
But you show your ass when you just take pot shots then complain that I'm incapable of rational debate.

I haven't said you're not capable, just that you aren't doing it. I'm sure you have some actual ideas beyond "freedom is good" and "all taxes are theft." Go on. Take a gander.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jan 13, 2016 - 06:58pm PT
dirtbag, I'm sure that was just some simple miscommunication.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
Oh no doubt!
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2016 - 07:15pm PT
It's like losing quarters between the couch cushions.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 13, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
Huckabee joins the Republicans with questions about Cruz’s eligibility

"When it first surfaced, I didn't think it did," Huckabee said. "But after now reading a number of very thoughtful pieces by constitutional experts, yeah, I think it should give everybody a little concern. It's an issue that's got to be dealt with. There was one article from Lawrence Tribe, and there was another from a professor who wrote in The Washington Post, and it was very compelling argument. It was not a political argument. This person gave very serious reasons as to why this was a serious question."


In a few words, Huckabee became at least the fourth rival to Cruz to ask whether his eligibility could be questioned. Carly Fiorina cited "legal scholars" who had judged the issue "legitimate." Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who had once brushed off the question, suddenly called it a potential problem. And then there was Donald Trump, whose predictable obsession with the topic seemed to finally end the mutual admiration pact between Cruz and himself.

That would have been bad enough, had Republicans as eminent as RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Gov. Terry Branstad (R-Iowa) refused to simply call Cruz eligible, or call the question ridiculous.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 13, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
That isn't what I said at all. I said that the millionaire is doing much better by the American political-economic system and should therefore bear the brunt of the costs of that system. The millionaire is a millionaire because our American system is working for them. If Americans all worked the same job for the same wage then paying the same tax rates would be just fine...but it isn't.

So the implication here is that the system is working for the millionaire but not working for everyone else? How do you explain his/her success opposite the mother of two then?

A flat rate tax system would automatically mean that the millionaire pays more because they are apparently doing better within the framework (the same framework as everyone else?)

So the conundrum is still evident. If the millionaire doesn't assign the same value to the $15 (which I think is an absurd concept but I'm willing to play along) than the mother of two working 2 jobs then, in fact, the mother is benefiting more from the government system than the millionaire.

Why should he not only pay more, which he would in any case, but rather he pays progressively more based on how successful he is? Which ultimately results is distribution of benefit to someone else?

The Laffer curve, even if you don't agree with any given deflection point, has to become reality at some tax rate. Why take away the incentive for the millionaire to succeed while simultaneously holding the mother of two in her current position?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2016 - 05:50am PT
Escopeta posted
So the conundrum is still evident. If the millionaire doesn't assign the same value to the $15 (which I think is an absurd concept but I'm willing to play along)

If this were not true then a millionaire and a working poor person would make nearly identical purchasing choices.

Escopeta posted
the mother of two working 2 jobs then, in fact, the mother is benefiting more from the government system than the millionaire.

Thank you for arguing an actual point instead of just a platitude. You're struggling with this because you are looking at the "government system" as somehow a distinct and separate entity. It's not. There's an American system of which the government is a part. Additionally, the millionaire has better access to the justice system, the political system and is better served in basically every way by the government. The poor person may get a few thousand dollars a year in government assistance, but is getting worse services in virtually every other manner. It's a tough argument to make that the "government system" is benefiting the poor person the most. For someone who thinks that the entire government budget is "theft" and "wealth redistribution" I can see how projecting that sense of outrage onto everything would lead you to that conclusion.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 14, 2016 - 06:09am PT
If it is an "American System" of which the government is a part. Then removing some amount of government would, in theory, leave this "American System" still meaningfully intact?

In your opinion, how much of the government part (which in this particular case I am using as a proxy for taxes) of this "American System" can be removed before it is no longer the American System?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2016 - 06:17am PT
Cruz obtained $1 million of loans from Goldman Sachs and Citibank that were not disclosed on campaign finance paperwork. At worst the FEC will fine his campaign. The political fallout is still unknown but I'm willing to be it will be minimal. Democrats will holler and most Republicans just won't care. Cruz might have peaked, however, for unrelated reasons.

Marco Rubio supported a cap and trade system for carbon emission control 7 years ago.

Bernie Sanders supporters desperately want this tweet to mean the end of the Clinton campaign. (I can't wrap my head around it)



In a moment The Onion meets South Park meets reality, the town of Whitesboro in New York has voted to keep their village emblem which is literally a white settler choking a Native American.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 14, 2016 - 06:17am PT
As a follow up separate question. You claim that "the millionaire has better access to the justice system, the political system and is better served in basically every way by the government"

This may have just been typo, but above that you mentioned that its not the "government system" that the millionaire benefits from but rather the "American System" of which the government is a part. Yet in the quote above, you clearly make the distinction that its the gov that he benefits from.

Did you mean to say specifically the government here or were you intending to say the "American System" from your previous comment?
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