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The Chief
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Nov 24, 2015 - 10:58am PT
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Nope, never served.
Then by that admission, you are not an equal.
But I do not expect you to understand nor accept that.
I have operated with a dozen (platoon size) of the 13th out of Djibouti when extracting our people AS WELL as French embassy people out of Asmara back in the early 90's during OP Restore Hope.
I've studied military history passionately
Unfortunately, I have lived it for over 24 and half years of my life. And did shet you will NEVER read about. Not in your life time that is.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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Then by that admission, you are not an equal.
I can't decide if that's arrogance or stupidity. Probably both. A lot of both.
And it's that view, that narrow-mindedness, that makes you a less-than-equal in discussions on these issues.
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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:07am PT
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Stop getting trolled.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:07am PT
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I can't decide if that's arrogance or stupidity. Probably both. A lot of both.
Never mind Mtnyoung.
And it's that view, that narrow-mindedness, that makes you a less-than-equal in discussions on these issues.
Of course. Actually doing the shet you all are "discussing" has NO relevance.
Got it.
But this does...
mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 24, 2015 - 10:55am PT
Nope, never served.
I've studied military history passionately since I was 10
LOL!
Carry on, Mtnyoung.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:11am PT
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Stop getting trolled.
Thanks, HDDJ, but I'm not really getting trolled.
I've got a cold, I'm sitting around the computer doing light guidebook work, and I like getting in to these discussions now and then (I read them a lot more often than I join though).
At some point I'll tire of his slow minded mediocrity and leave the discussion.
Or maybe he'll change his approach, I'll read a few "new The Chief" posts and keel over from a heart attack out of shock.
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couchmaster
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
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The Washington Post has an solid Oped that rips Hillary's hypocrisy over refugees.
"The Clinton solution for refugees: Guantanamo
Hillary Clinton has joined Barack Obama in accusing Republican of betraying American values for raising legitimate security concerns about admitted Syrian refugees, declaring last week that “slamming the door on refugees isn’t who we are.”
Funny, because when her husband was president, he “slammed the door” on refugees — the cell door at Guantanamo Bay.
In the early 1990s, tens of thousands of refugees fled Haiti and sought refuge in the United States following the military coup that overthrew President Jean Bertrand Aristide. They did not include Islamist terrorists, but many posed another perceived threat: They had HIV. Instead of admitting them into the United States, President Bill Clinton ordered the Haitian refugees be held at Guantanamo, and then repatriated back to Haiti.
During the 1992 election Clinton criticized President George H.W. Bush’s practice of repatriating Haitian refugees as “cruel” and “immoral,” and promised to end the practice. But after winning the presidency, Clinton reversed course, and tried to stop the Haitian exodus by declaring that the refugees would be intercepted and sent back to Haiti. It didn’t work, and eventually he decided to house tens of thousands of Haitian refugees in Guantanamo. A federal judge declared Clinton’s policy of detaining refugees at Gitmo “outrageous, callous and reprehensible” and criticized him for inflicting on the Haitians “the kind of indefinite detention usually reserved for spies and murderers.” After an American-led force restored President Aristide to power in 1994, the Clinton administration told the remaining refugees they had to return home, declaring: “Under no circumstances will any Haitian currently in Guantanamo be admitted to the United States.”
Did Bill Clinton “betray our values” in refusing to admit these refugees?
It was not the first time Clinton saw Guantanamo as the solution for a refugee crisis. In 1980, some 125,000 Cubans fled the Castro regime as part of the Mariel boatlift. While most were fleeing oppression, the regime also released thousands of criminals from Cuban jails and patients from Cuban mental health facilities and sent them to America. The Carter administration chose Fort Chaffee, Ark., as a detention facility to hold the refugees. But then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton told the White House he did not want criminal and mentally unstable Cubans brought into his state. When the White House objected that there was nowhere else to put them, Clinton recounted in his memoir “My Life,” he told the White House: “We still have a base at Guantanamo, don’t we? And there must be a gate in the fence that divides it from Cuba. Take them to Guantanamo, open the door, and march them back into Cuba.” The Carter administration overruled Clinton’s objections and sent the refugees to Arkansas.
Later, as president, Clinton reversed the 35-year-old U.S. policy of granting asylum to Cuban refugees fleeing communist persecution. In its place, he instituted an inhumane policy called “wet foot, dry foot” in which he offered Cubans asylum based on the Darwinian principle of “survival of the fittest” — refugees intrepid enough to evade the Coast Guard and reach dry land could stay, while those interdicted at sea would be sent back to their Cuban communist masters.
Now, Hillary Clinton is accusing Republicans governors of “turning away orphans” for refusing to accept Syrian refugees, when her own husband did the same with Haitian and Cuban refugees. Unlike the Haitian and Cuban refugees her husband sent home, today’s Syrian refugees pose a major national security challenge for the United States. While most refugees are innocent men, women and children fleeing terror and persecution, we know that Islamist terrorists have already successfully used the U.S. refugee program as cover to infiltrate terrorists into our country. It only takes a few Islamic State infiltrators to bring the chaos we see in Paris today to our shores.
Obama administration officials have testified that they cannot assure Congress that they can effectively screen the refugees. And even if the vetting process were perfect, a November 2014 poll of Syrian refugees found that, while the vast majority oppose the Islamic State, a significant minority of 13 percent support the terror network. At that rate, if the United States were to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees, as the Obama administration proposes, it could be admitting as many as 1,300 ISIS supporters. It’s hard enough to screen for Islamic State operatives. Screening for Islamic State sympathizers is virtually impossible.
These are serious security issues. But instead of working with Republicans to resolve them, and finding a bipartisan way forward to help the refugees, President Obama is politicizing the issue — and Hillary Clinton is joining the political bandwagon. She ought to be careful. It’s tricky claiming the moral high ground on refugees when President Clinton’s preferred solution was to send them to Guantanamo Bay."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-clinton-solution-for-refugees-guantanamo/2015/11/23/7bf338a4-91f4-11e5-8aa0-5d0946560a97_story.html
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:25pm PT
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I would expect that opinion coming from George W. Bush's former speechwriter.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
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Reference the President's speech and whether he said anything (good, bad, indifferent or relevant), what's he really supposed to say? Whatever his plans are he isn't going to sit there and tell the world (including "the enemy") on TV...neither is Hollande.
I happen to agree that what you hear out of Trump, Carson and the rest of the loonies is a colossal embarrassment to our country and makes us look like stupid ignoramuses (oh...wait...). Better to walk softly and carry a big stick.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 24, 2015 - 03:36pm PT
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Whatever his plans are he isn't going to sit there and tell the world (including "the enemy") on TV.
Why? It never stopped him in the past.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 24, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 24, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
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Fundamental Concepts - Nothing to Believe In [Weirddave]
The latest surge by ISIS has brought to the fore one of the hallmarks of modern leftism, and that is their absolute refusal to process facts that conflict with their worldview. Here we have ISIS, a murderous, genocidal Islamic supremacy group. They have stated quite openly that they intend to carve a caliphate out for themselves by any means necessary, and by “by any means” they mean as violently as possible. They view the West, Christianity, Secular Humanists, Hindus, everybody who doesn’t conform to their brand of Islam as the enemy, and they have only one tactic for dealing with the enemy : kill them and keep on killing them until they are either all dead or their remnant is so cowed that they convert to Islam. They justify this using the Koran and various Hadiths and they will quite happily tell anyone who will listen exactly what they believe is divine rational for their actions. ............................
The media arrogantly denies that the terrorists themselves have any agency. They constantly seek to excuse their bloody attacks by excusing them as pawns or blaming society, imperialism, Christians, corporations, BOOOOSH! Capitalism or whatever.
Most of all, what all of these smug as#@&%es fail to accept, steeped as they are in their philosophy of self and blinded by the myth of their superior intellects, is that there are billions of people out there who do not subscribe to their selfish worldview: people who believe in something larger then themselves and who act upon those beliefs. They can’t understand it when they run across it in their own culture for God’s sake (That Christians might have an honest belief that homosexuality is a sin does not compute. Christians MUST be bigots, or homophobes or haters), they have no chance at recognizing it in a foreign one. Last week in Paris, one of the terrorists calmly went down a row of handicapped people in wheelchairs and calmly executed each and every one of them in turn. I guarantee you that as this evil man calmly committed this bloody and evil act, he felt in his heart the same satisfaction that you do when you give money to a homeless man Mr. Elite. These people have their own beliefs and the free will to act upon them. They will tell you all about them if you ask, and even if you don’t. They are PROUD of what they are doing. They BRAG about their bloody ways. THEY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY.
Unfortunately, that is so utterly foreign to the worldview of our so-called elites that they just don’t get it, and I doubt the ever will because it contradicts that worldview completely. To understand they would have to let go of the arrogance that sustains them, and that’s a very hard row to hoe.
And that leaves us screwed. How can we defeat out enemies if we refuse to take them seriously?
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=360174
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 24, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
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SWAT goes after an escapee from the "progressive" paradise of Baltimore?
Your point is?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
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Except this is from today in Boulder and only a block from my kids.
OH SHET!!!!
Philo's got ..... KIDS????
BTW Philo...
Boulder police spokeswoman Shannon Cordingly said the operation involved a case out of Maryland.
"We are working with the Baltimore Police Department on an active investigation that they have," Cordingly said
Baltimore police officials later this morning said Faison is wanted on suspicion of first-degree attempted murder in connection with a nonfatal shooting on Nov. 15 in the 100 block of North Broadway Street in Baltimore. http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_29158081/boulder-swat-activity-closes-part-moorhead-avenue
Looooon!
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philo
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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It was a light hearted jest you ignorant fuks.
Get over yourselves fer christ's sake.
Did you notice I posted the same link that ShetHead cut and pasted? I know what the story was about. But it waqs a block from my kids. Kind of startling.
Do you actually read and comprehend or just assume and react like the classless knee jerk offs you are?
HAppy Thanksgiving you Turkeys.
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philo
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
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You know Jim I actually was. I've really had enough of your pompous reactions to anything a post. Get over the sense you have a right to tell me what to do. Quit assuming you have some insight into the thoughts and motivations of others that you don't know. Same goes for you Cosmic. Get over yourself. You got all pissy because I made fun of guns and gun owners, so what. Grow up.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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Watch it, Jim, you know how dangerous it is in this day and age to advise
someone to find peace.
I just wish Air France would realize that if they want my business they
gotta make it worth my while. I mean, I wanna help but, garsons, you gotta
cut yer fares! Jess sayin', n'est ce pas?
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The Chief
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
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HEY Philo....
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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philo, I'd ignore Jim. You are making perfect sense. He seldom does.
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