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Marlow
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OSLO
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Aug 11, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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The NSA is turning the internet into a total surveillance system
Now we know all Americans' international email is searched and saved, we can see how far the 'collect it all' mission has gone
"If you emailed a friend, family member or colleague overseas today (or if, from abroad, you emailed someone in the US), chances are that the NSA made a copy of that email and searched it for suspicious information.
The NSA appears to believe this general monitoring of our electronic communications is justified because the entire process takes, in one official's words, "a small number of seconds". Translation: the NSA thinks it can intercept and then read Americans' emails so long as the intrusion is swift, efficient and silent.
That is not how the fourth amendment works.
Whether the NSA inspects and retains these messages for years, or only searches through them once before moving on, the invasion of Americans' privacy is real and immediate. There is no "five-second rule" for fourth amendment violations: the US constitution does not excuse these bulk searches simply because they happen in the blink of an eye."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/11/nsa-internet-surveillance-email
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Aug 11, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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Jghedge
You're so lost. First criticising everybody for being focused on Snowden, now the last one desperately trying to get the focus on him. You, the traitor of reason...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 11, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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the traitor of reason...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 12, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 12, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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Bruce Schneier, from http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/08/the-nsa-is-commandeering-the-internet/278572/
The link is worth reading, imo.
....Bluntly: The government has commandeered the Internet. Most of the largest Internet companies provide information to the NSA, betraying their users. Some, as we've learned, fight and lose. Others cooperate, either out of patriotism or because they believe it's easier that way....
....You, an executive in one of those companies, can fight. You'll probably lose, but you need to take the stand. And you might win. It's time we called the government's actions what it really is: commandeering. Commandeering is a practice we're used to in wartime, where commercial ships are taken for military use, or production lines are converted to military production. But now it's happening in peacetime. Vast swaths of the Internet are being commandeered to support this surveillance state.....
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 13, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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^ not funny at all.
either that or being imprisoned by (other) bullies, who commandeer fake democracies.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Aug 13, 2013 - 12:36am PT
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there shouldn't be any surprises in all of this if you have been paying attention...
it used to be that 'nations' were 'governed' by the biggest local gangster politicians...
then the governments were taken over by the bigger gangsters, corporations and their interlocking boards of directorates...
in turn, the corporations are run by the next biggest gangsters, the bankers and their national banks (i.e. The Federal Reserve Board)...
and the national banks are directed in turn by the Bank of International Settlements in Basel Switzerland...
the international bankers are run by the next biggest gangsters...
have fun with this...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 13, 2013 - 02:26am PT
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Sort of belongs on the Climate Change thread, but sort of belongs here too.
Undercover Agents Infiltrated Tar Sands Resistance Camp to Break up Planned Protest
TransCanada and Department of Homeland Security keep close eye on activists, FOIA documents reveal
Your gov't at work. Say Joe, think they look up the NSA metadata on these terrorists?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 13, 2013 - 10:17am PT
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Imagine that... a Rand Corp employee(and former gestapo) standing against Snowden. I'm shocked!
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2013 - 12:29am PT
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never thought i'd hear a law abiding american citizen say:
"I mean, there’s information that I can’t even share with my lawyer, let alone with the American public. So if we’re talking about secrecy, you know, it’s really been taken to the extreme. And I think it’s really being used by the current administration to cover up tactics that they may be ashamed of."
if you've got fifteen minutes watch this interview with ladar levison [founder of lavabit.] if you do watch, you will witness the verbal and mental gymnastics of an american citizen attempting to both stay out of jail and inform the public, as best he can, of some of his experiences.
f*#king surreal.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
what's even more surreal are those of you advocating the paying of your own money to support the infrastructure and human employment that does this to one of your own.
while i hope it's too early, at the rate this is going, ya'll are soon going to have to reconsider the "o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave" lullaby that you often sing to yourselves.
while i'm not sure how you'll work it into the song may i suggest something along the lines of:
"o'er the land of the afraid and the home of the brave ... new ... world"
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2013 - 12:59am PT
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DMT: "That's been a fairy tale for decades now."
maybe so, maybe so.
not ready to completely write the american public off just yet...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 14, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
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The difference is one can take your money,
The other your money and your life!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 14, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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In case anyone was interested in the NSA org and function chart may look like. Anyones guess, but here's some research put into play. Nicely presented. http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/08/what-nsas-massive-org-chart-probably-looks/68642/
Lovegasoline, very nicely spoken. "Anyone who supports safety and security and thus opts for a surveillance state in the name of security, yet desires to disarm the most plentiful defenders of safety, the actual citizenry, is living a completely delusional and logically inconsistent disconnect."
Did you steal that from old Ben? What was that Franklin quote? Along the lines of "People who will trade security for safety will get neither"...or sumptin like that. Regardless, well done.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 14, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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nice map, but where's the branch that spies on and blackmails the congresspeople/state gov people to do what the special interests want instead of what the voters wanted ?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 14, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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but where's the branch that spies on and blackmails the congresspeople/state gov people to do what the special interests want instead of what the voters wanted ?
This is the real meat of it as paganmonkeyboy hits the crux of it.
Spying on the average citizen is largely a total waste of time and not even important to NSA.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 14, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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Sorry about that Indian sub Bharata. Our nuclear subs catch fire ALL THE TIME. If the American people knew how much and how often this happened they'd sh#t. COMMON OCCURRENCE. It's how you respond that keeps you from heading towards Davey Jones's locker. By the way, I found it of interest that the US could hear every submarine in the world at all times and pinpoint it's exact location, as far back as the 1970's. Every one. Google "Glomar Explorer:" for part of that interesting tale where the Soviets didn't have a clue where their sub had sank, but we did, and went to recover it right in plain sight pretending to mine "manganese nodules" haha! No peeking in on us.
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