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raymond phule
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Jan 25, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
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I own your ass as well.
You are retired, in good physical shape I believe, like the outdoors and driving motorbikes but seems to sit by a computer 15 hours per day writing idiotic posts that no one cares about on a forum... It is just crazy and I would say that everyone owns you.
Why don't you go outside and have some fun? You sure should have the opportunity, no job, no small children to pass, probably not much that need to be done on the house etc.
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dirtbag
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Jan 25, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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Raymond nails it.
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dirtbag
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Jan 25, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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Hit #946 & #947 DIRTARD!
LOL...pretty weak "hits."
Of course, we all know #1 is a model of civility...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
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Nothing like the smug, holier-than-thou assh0le.
If holier-than-thou means knowing how to read and reason, then yeah, I guess I'm that.
As for the name calling, it looks like the only response you can muster. As long as it makes yourself feel good.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 25, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
edited for clarity
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TLP
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Jan 25, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
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Am I understanding correctly that the only substantive point that has been raised on this thread as a criticism of the current generation of climatic models is that surface temperatures have not risen in 13 or so years? (Though for completeness, one notes that ocean heat content, which is a lot more energy, has continued to rise.) Certainly that's the one comment we've seen thousands of times.
We've seen clear explanations of why this is both within the range of expected variation and is consistent with modeling results, but the response seems always to be just to repeat the same criticism without acknowledging that it has been addressed, or providing any logical discussion of the explanation. That makes the contrary argument start to look awfully thin after a while. If there's another piece of substance there, it's been lost in all the hollering.
I still think blahblah had the best question, what's a verifiable prediction? If I'm not mistaken, substantial loss of arctic ice has been one of the specific predictions, and that has definitely happened. That was an expected consequence because it's a shallow sea, thus more vulnerable to global temperature and ocean heat content. So there's a partial answer. I bet there are others that would be testable in another decade or three. Shorter term, not possible: see above.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 25, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
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Am I understanding correctly that the only substantive point that has been raised on this thread as a criticism of the current generation of climatic models is that surface temperatures have not risen in 13 or so years?
yes, you understand correctly
pretty damn weak, eh?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
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Where's the WARMING??
You gotta be kidding, right? I mean, after all the data that's been posted showing how the Earth is warming, you have the nerve to ask this again?
Why don't you pay attention when people answer the questions you ask? Here:
link: Record High Temperatures Broken in California as Drought Worsens
Yeah, that's current.
Now let's watch you dodge this like you were moving for your life.
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Chiloe
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Lee, NH
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Jan 25, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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Ed's right, this thread seems more wasteland than usual lately. Some people are trying to stay constructive but they're talking to blog-parrots while a grown man throws nonstop LOOK AT ME! tantrums in the center of the room.
So if the Commons Dilemma, Nash equilibrium etc. won't start any discussion, maybe Michael Mann? I saw his name flash by a few pages back. Mann is briefly in the news again due to a ruling by Judge Frederick Weisberg, who denied motions by Mark Steyn, the National Review, Competitive Enterprise Institute and Rand Simberg to dismiss Mann's suit for defamation. The Judge gave this explanation:
. . . .plaintiff alleges that CEI published, and National Review republished, the following defamatory statement: “Mann could be said to be the Jerry Sandusky of climate science, except that instead of molesting children, he has molested and tortured data in the service of politicized science that could have dire economic consequences for the nation and planet.” The allegedly defamatory aspect of this sentence is the statement that plaintiff “molested and tortured data,” not the rhetorically hyperbolic comparison to convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky.
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Accusing plaintiff of working “in the service of politicized science” is arguably a protected statement of opinion, but accusing a scientist of “molest[ing] and tortur[ing] data” is an assertion of fact. Possibly Weisberg expects this won't go to trial, but if it does he apparently intends the focus to be allegations of scientific misconduct -- which multiple scientific investigations have found groundless, but the political blogs still trumpet loudly.
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TLP
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Jan 25, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
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New, I'll ante up my two cents. Shortest version: bad idea(s). Not going to end up with results that are satisfactory. Seems to me Base put it most clearly, many pages ago, in pointing out that, if you were to decide to do something about CO2, by far the cheapest, easiest, most successful way to do it is to capture it where you produce it. It's very concentrated in that one spot; anything you can do atmosphere-wide, you can do way better right at a stack or tailpipe. It's the same with any pollution: either don't create it, or control it where you do. Once it's loose, costs get ridiculous and success dubious.
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TLP
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Jan 25, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
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New, potentially good game, but the idea of outdoor ice hockey in LA is just plain too weird. Uh-oh, we're gonna get an onslaught about that comment...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 25, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jan 25, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 25, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
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Will delete shortly...in the meantime enjoy.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 26, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
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Are Base, Mutt and Wilbeer the poster boys for the monstrous global climate model industries seamless transition into a legitimate science of actual benefit for long term regional forecasting?
Aint gonna work boys, people are well aware of the mischief this industry seeks to create as soon our backs are turned.
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jan 26, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
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The Chief doesn't like to show the trend line splitting the 'pause'.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 27, 2014 - 12:05am PT
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CO2 and natural factors, Chief. Duh!
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