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o-man
Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
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This thread is so vast that I have only skimmed it.
I thought I would take a moment share some of my personal memories of that period of Valley History.
Buc and I pulled into The Valley that spring and the whole place was buzzing with the news of the plane wreck in the Merced Water shed.
Some of our friends had been to the site and were laying low up on walls with their booty in haul bags waiting for a chance to distribute.
Erickson, Higbee and a host of Colorado's elite(Dave Breashears,Kevin Donald,and Bob Carmichael to name a few)were trying to film the FFA of Half Dome and were playing poker every nite in the Mountain Room Bar.
Chouinard was climbing in The Valley and we shared a ledge or two during that period. Mark Hudon had just finished NA wall and was camped next door. It was raining a lot and I didn't get much climbing done while I was there. I remember the whole valley seemed to be sort of floating on crash bud or maybe it was just me.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Mar 11, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
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zBrown & others have raised issues regarding the negative aspects of the airplane pot in relation to possible adverse effects that a portion containing gas residue may have had on users and how that could be an issue with authorities, blah, blah...blah.
It would be rather hypocritical of the US government to pursue such an angle in light of their open and heavy use of the extremely toxic poison known as Paraquat on Mexican marijuana crops throughout the mid to late 1970's. Paraquat is toxic to human beings and animals and research has shown that it is linked to the development of Parkinsons Desease.
"During the late 1970's a controversial program sponsored by the US government sprayed paraquat on marijuana fields in Mexico. Since much of this marijuana was subsequently smoked by American's, the US government's "Paraquat Pot" stirred much debate. Representitives of the program warned that spraying rendered the crop unsafe to smoke." Wiki
I recall this whole period and the controversy with much distain. Ironically it occured before during and long after the tainted "airplane pot" was in circulation.
EDIT: "Are you saying that it is OK in either or both cases?"
I wasn't suggesting anything in that order. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just pointing out how ironic and(if they were attempting to prosecute on those grounds/issue)how hypocritical it is/would have been. You alluded to how the creepy dude(CS)could have possibly been effected by the tainted weed, etc. and wondeed if it was punitive. I am the person who stated that there were no indictments origionally issued and this situation could not be compared to the "Orange Sunshine/Brotherhood of Eternal Love Gang" on that technicality. I sleep well at night, have no worries and as I already mentioned, never made it up to the lake.
The government didn't sell the weed they poisened(who knows). But they did indeed poisen it with full knowledge that a whole generation of American citizens would end up smoking it. They figured they weren't worth anything/were a lost cause anyway I imagine. They poisened 3-4 years worth of crop and advertized that they had done so afer the fact. How evil.
The weed was harvested on the mexican side and made its way here. On the street, it was nondistinguishable and mixed in with weed from Canada, Hawaii and homegrown, etc.! Nobody new what they were getting in most cases. Very few, if any, people stopped smoking pot because of it.
They did it and later advertised it thinking that it would get some people to stop smoking weed alltogether out of fear of getting poisened weed.
F'n idiots. I feel that the intentional poisening of possibly millions of Americans by their very own government is by far the worser evil!!
A false dichotomy.
Again, I don't "take it to seriously" i was just responding to an issue you raised(and upon request, deleted.)
It's a discussion, I contribute...
And BTW, Rick/Lichy did mention earlier that the Feds have taken notice of this thread...I enjoy occasionaly giving them some "food for thought"(in this case, the paraquat issue)!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 11, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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^^^
Did people sell the tainted weed in both situations? Are you saying that it is OK in either or both cases?
I got into this thread inadvertently while looking for something else, but it caught my eye because I knew a bunch of drug dealers many years ago.
Some of them did some very brazen and fairly clever stuff. Were they successful in life because of it? Not. Is there a need for more books about this type of thing? Like I said some time ago, it depends what else is in the book.
There is also a layer of foam floating around (the Modesto-Yosemite nexus, the Octopus ...) that could make it more interesting if it were tied in somehow, but I haven't seen that done.
Someone pointed out way back that there were never indictments issued in this case and that the statute has run, so why would the government enter into it at this point in time?
I suppose you could file a suit if the government sprayed your medical marijuana with paraquat (remember paraquat Kelly, DJ in LA?) and you used it to some ill effect, but that's a tangled web.
Finally, don't take any of this too seriously. I don't think anyone else is.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 14, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
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Should the government have developed a paraquat program? I think not; it should not even regulate marijuana. Pat Robertson, Ron Paul and I agree here.
From what I know about folks in the drug business, then and now, there would be few qualms among many dealers about selling chemically treated weed. Also from what I've read, tainted Yosemite plane crash grass was sold.
The jibe at the psycho was to point up some of the paranoia that lurks out on the internet as e.g. "The Modesto-Yosemite Nexus". However, people do need to take responsibilty for their actions.
The three groups under discussion (Coronado Co., BOEL, Yosemite) are all precisely the same phenomenon, differing only in some of the detailed particulars.
I haven't seen any "good" that emanated from the first two and I doubt that Licky is going to find any here.
On the other hand, in poking around here I've discovered some new things and so it hasn't been a total waste of time.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Mar 16, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
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Finally, substance!
Prices mentioned are ballpark accurate – seems like chump change now but a dollar twentynine bought you a six of tall busch at degnan’s deli – biners were a couple bucks – as for tainted/paraquat herb, it was circulating in the less-connected circles of boystown, the ozone etc. –again, anyone with a brain and few bucks had better stash – any friction climbers might recall a little-climbed route Bo and I put up on the right side of the Apron we named Paraquat – 5.10A grade II, with a nifty little belay ledge with a bolt that was actually an egg-shaped hole about the size of the stereo chairs of molded plastic that were in audio stores at the time - we laughed about the name, of course no one really smoked ‘quat weed or plane pot unless they were totally clueless – yes, there was untainted bales, and weed cut from the center was superior, but it was all sub-par skank pot, even the “especial”
But guys were poor, and plane weed was cheap or free – but fire up a flamer doobie and you were branded a geek, not a good label before computers changed the meaning somewhat – call me a snob if you like, but Yosemite was a place that one could live cheaply, but you had to bring something in or work a little someplace – it wasn’t that hip to scrounge around and wait for a plane crash lift you out of the gutter – a little effort and a man could live like a king of sorts in the valley – hell, cans were worth five cents, and an hour in the morning hitting the campgrounds could net someone 20-50 bucks before lunch – money best spent on thai sticks and breakfast in the Ahwahnee DR
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 26, 2012 - 05:21am PT
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I thought I would add this story from another thread about the Indian caves to this one.
TMJesse
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Mar 25, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
The caves and sheltered boulders behind Curry are many and pretty nice. Take a stroll back behind the (former) Terrace for a look. BITD, one poor unnamed soul stashed a huge wad of airplane cash back there only to find it a week later chewed up and made into a rodents nest!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 26, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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So I had just stepped out my back door when I hear the unmistakeable sweetness
of large radials, at least two of 'em. I look up and here comes papa at about
500'AGL! I sprint through the house and grab my camera and bolt out the
front door in time to grab this.
Since I wasn't positive about it I enlisted Mr Google's help and lo and behold
it is one of the two remaining Howard 500's near and dear to this thread!
He was booking it pretty good -I wonder what he was hauling?
I even found a vid of the exact plane! At the end you can hear the sweetness
of 5000 horsies singing.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Here's a really quick (28sec) low pass:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 26, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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I bet sidmo was flying it with a load of weed ....
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Mar 26, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
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Sweet lookin & sounding bird, RIP!!
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Reilly...Yep, you got it right. The guy that owns this one has one other of the original 19 produced and it flys too. He is working on refurbishing two more in his hanger (seems he is doing quite well these days). The one that you managed to photograph can be found all over the country where he does fly-ins. It really stops the crowd when he flys over at +350mph and 50ft. off the runway. By the way, that's 333mph at around 40% throttle.
Warner, sidmo had written the flight instructions and was giving lessons to the pilot
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 26, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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hey there say, jan... wow, as to that story--kind of (not exactly) reminded me about the ending of the treasure of the sierra madre...
all the gold dust to the winds of nature...
life lives on, as it was made to, naturally, inspite of 'man's so called wealth'
;)
edit: or perhaps better said: 'moves' on, as it was made to...
:)
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 26, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
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Yo! say Licky how's the book coming along? Hope you aren't discouraged by Mike Hynson's experiences.
Mike raffling off signed copies:
Edit:
Photo too big.
I'm thinkin' of starting my book soon, working title
//Million Dollar Bash
The Progeny of America's Greatest Generation Do Battle in the Cultural and Drug Wars
//
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Trango
Mountain climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 18, 2012 - 02:07am PT
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Thread went back into hibernation, I see.
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Apr 18, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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the thread is dead - the book is cooked
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 25, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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Can this thread be revived? I'm sick of the political/bolt wars/lack of trip reports/lameness on the front page.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
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And you think reviving this thread will reduce the lameness?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
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Yes.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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no book
No book
No Book
NO Book
NO BOok
NO BOOk
NO BOOK!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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Survival, don't be a hater! Unless ya got sumpin to hide? :-)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 25, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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See? All you've done is wake Survival and Reilly and me up from our naps.
How much lamer can things get?
This is what it reminds me of
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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