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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
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Ran across a few quips and quotes from Edward R. Murrow.
Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really understand the situation.
The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.
Difficulty is the excuse history never accepts.
Everyone is a prisoner of his own experiences. No can eliminate prejudices—just recognize them.
This reporter’s beliefs are in a state of flux.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
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The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.
My favorite !
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Dec 24, 2014 - 07:58am PT
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You GO grrrrl! Mini manifestoate that action! Do not let the Innernut Man keep you down!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Dec 25, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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Merry Christmas! Happy Birthday, Jesus!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 25, 2014 - 09:49am PT
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^^^+1
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 25, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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Happy holidays!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 25, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
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That's right, ditto... Happy Holidays, all!
On this day long ago, a child was born who, by age 30, would transform the world. Happy Birthday Isaac Newton, b. Dec 25, 1642.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Dec 25, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Happy holidays to all, may your days keep getting longer (easily granted wish there).
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 25, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
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HFCS: On this day long ago, a child was born who, by age 30, would transform the world. Happy Birthday Isaac Newton, b. Dec 25, 1642.
(Figures. . . . )
Another person with a similar description changed the world so much more.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Dec 25, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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Hear. hear!
Thank you Carlos Castaneda!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Dec 25, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
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Funny thing is that it's generally accepted that jesus was born in July...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 25, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
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^^^it doesn't matter the exact day when ur living in eternity
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Dec 25, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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There is no "eternity" ..you're just afraid of the void.
Face it without your zombie magic. Unless you're afraid.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 26, 2014 - 09:17am PT
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re: sharing of belief
re: privatizing belief vs publicizing belief
re: advocating for belief
So I spent much of yesterday with a neighbor philosophizing about the contents of this thread. One of his salient points of our on-and-off-again conversation was that whatever your beliefs (religious, scientific, humanistic, nihilistic, naturalistic, stoic, etc.) it's strategically savvy to keep them private, not to share them. To the extent you share them, people know how you tick, sometimes a good thing or an okay thing, and sometimes not. We talked about the hypothetical of being visitors in Pakistan, we agreed that that would not be a place where it would be strategically smart to be an open book in public about our beliefs, for eg in evolution or our nonbelief in Islam. So one of our conclusions: how much to be an open-book either regarding our beliefs or our "inner operating system," however you prefer to conceive it, was very much a function of venue, environment in addition to interest or passion and what's at stake. This seemed to also explain the somewhat traditional view in many circles in America, esp past, for eg, that there are two things in public that one doesn't (wisely) talk about: politics and religion. Business circles being one example. It seemed my neighbor friend's main reference yesterday was a book he read and that I read (about 10 years ago): The 48 Laws of Power (by Robert Greene). My neighbor friend kept pressing the point with me that if your interest is being the smartest "life strategist" you can be (it is one interest of mine), you should not disregard or dismiss these Laws of Power which he thought is exactly what open-book atheists do (other than Dawkins et al, for eg, who can somehow profit from their open book lives via their work) by publicizing their very unpopular anti-god,anti-religious beliefs to their detriment. For instance it can be bad business to publicly advertise your unpopular beliefs, it can also provide your opponents or enemies where they exist clues to how you tick, clues to your behavior which can disadvantage you, etc.. At the end of it all, we more or less agreed that in the end, how open or not one is with his beliefs (religious, political, philosophic) in addition to how much he advocates for them is very much a function of (a) his interests: interests which might be science (or not), communicating science (or not), perhaps because it's a job; interest which might be business related, profit driven; interest which might be simply not to share insofar as one doesn't have to, to keep others guessing, esp enemies or unknowns; (b) his environment (work, tribe, country); (c) his place or station on life (alpha male, delta or gamma male; master or slave, etc.). It certainly was food for thought, it reminded me not everyone's a Carl Sagan - not in the sense of being science-impassioned or science-educated (that I know, lol!) but in the sense of being eager to be the open book and share beliefs with the world, that there are really sound strategic reasons for not being so or doing so. So it was both fun and thought-provoking to discuss some of these ideas against the opposite idea or opposite approach of sharing beliefs (publicizing beliefs) in order to self-advertise, to hook up, to build a community or congregation of like-minded individuals for purpose of social support, creative collaboration to get something done, etc.. Overall I think the mix of strategies we can conceptualize, think about, all individually sound, regarding to share or not, or to advocate for or not, is just what we see in play-action all over the world, in our world's global, national and local groupings, large and small.
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I don't mind sharing a celebration with christians.
Personally, I don't know anyone who minds sharing a celebration with Christians. It's a wonderful thing. In this magical time of the year.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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your neighbor might want to read "48 Ways to Stop Being a Pussy".
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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WTFWND
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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your neighbor might want to read "48 Ways to Stop Being a Pussy".
No, I think it's more than that...
Last night I went to bed mulling over the validity of the claim: one man's "private" or "hypocritical" (think an American atheist trying to keep alive in Peshawar, Pakistan) is simply another man's "strategic."
You could make that argument. You could I think.
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On another front, Digus time and again, relentlessly tediously, confuses advocacy / activism (in science ed no less) for his nasty version of preaching... or advocates / activists (bless their hearts) for his nasty version of "ideologues" / "preachermen". This doesn't go unnoticed not at all.
People pushing for science education are not ideologues or preachermen. Esp in today's world fractured because of conflicting belief systems of old. They're simply concerned citizens, interested in advocacy or activism, and digus confuses them, probably I suspect because the type or degree thereof doesn't meet with his personal standards.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:49am PT
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This ain't Pakistan. This is the You Knighted States.
48? Doood, hire an editor, already.
Any more than 7 and the morons that support the self help list market won't be able to remember that Sun Tzu didn't write the damn thing.
BE THE BALL.
I'll let Dingus and O'Reilly wage the War on Christmas counteroffensive.
Fkn windmills!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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This ain't Pakistan.
Thank goodness. The conversation and the philosophizing yesterday was way more generalized, historical and developmental in scope. A comparative study, if you will, across many contexts.
We have it good here in America, obviously. At least this era.
Because we do, there is more opportunity and cause to be the "open book" when it comes to discussing one's beliefs.
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Regarding The 48 Laws, perhaps you should read it if you haven't. As a minimum, it could be insightful for clues - unless you're an expert already maybe - into how "the other side" thinks. You know, the Iagos of the world.
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Goodbye to one of the best years in history...
The Isil barbarity in the Middle East is so shocking, perhaps, because it comes against a backdrop of unprecedented world peace.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11310456/Goodbye-to-one-of-the-best-years-in-history.html
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