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Bob D'A
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Taos, NM
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Bookworn...about as dumb as they get .
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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for rincon....
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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Oh!
How Nice!
Now that: Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter is famous, I suppose Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter, will be running for president, as a Paranoid Party candidate.
I see it likely that the Republican Party & the Paranoid Party will merge, (due to their common platform) and Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter, Kirby Delauter will be their candidate for President.
How Nice for the Republicans!
(do you know the 3 Southern women & the "How nice for you!" story?)
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Crank I was impressed with dallas too.I figured they lost but didnt...lol when I seen Christy jumping like a little boy...
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Hilarious editorial! I wonder, though, if that paper denounced the majority opinion in Citizens United. Its ridicule of the threatened lawsuit by The Councilman Whose Name I Should Not Mention (hereafter "TCWNISNO" or "IT") rests on the holding in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. That 50-year-old SCOTUS opinion, that public figures must prove knowing falsity or reckless disregard of truth to win a libel case, held that the New York Times Company, (a corporation, for those unaware) had its First Amendment rights violated.
While IT certainly sounds ridiculous, his contention that most of the media march in lockstep on certain issues has much truth when it comes to reporting and editorializing on Citizens United. If "journalists" actually did what they purport to do, they would be skewering the critics of the Citizens United holding.
John
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Bruce: Rather than stringing out the story, as is my way.
The 3 southern women enjoy tea together, and at intervals, each tells how blessed their life is.
The 2 others dutifully reply: "How Nice" & "How Nice for you."
Finally the 3rd woman explains she has had a miserable life, but did attend charm school, so that now she can listen to stories of blessed lives from charming southern women and say "How Nice for you," instead of "Fuk you bitch!"
Best told in a broad southern accent.
How Nice for the new Republican Controlled Congress!
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:42am PT
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"Bookworn...about as dumb as they get ."
because i posted a link to an article by nyt? i'm "dumb" because i assume the accuracy of the nyt's reporting? oh, wait...i guess i should have known better...so libs finally confirm the nyt can't be trusted...even when it quotes people
but if it makes you feel better to attack me, go ahead; there isn't anything else for libs to be happy about:
from noonan:
It was not a missed public relations opportunity. PR is the showbiz of life, and that is not what this is.
Here are the reasons the president of the United States, or at very least the vice president, should have gone yesterday to the Paris march and walked shoulder to shoulder with the leaders of the world:
To show through his presence that the American people fully understand the import of what happened in the Charlie Hebdo murders, which is that Islamist extremists took the lives of free men and women who represented American and Western political freedoms, including freedom of speech;
To show through his presence that America and the West, and whatever nations choose to proclaim adherence to their democratic values, will stand together in rejecting and resisting extremist Islamist intolerance and violence;
To demonstrate the shared understanding that the massacre may amount to a tipping point, whereby those who protect and put forward Western political values will insist upon them in their sphere and ask their Muslim fellow citizens to walk side by side with them in shared public commitment;
To formally acknowledge the deep sympathy we feel that France, our oldest ally, suffered in the Charlie Hebdo murders a psychic shock akin to what America felt and suffered on 9/11/01. The day after our tragedy, the great French newspaper Le Monde ran an unforgettable cover with an editorial of affection and love titled Nous sommes tous Américains: “We are all Americans.” That was an echo of what our American doughboys, who went to France in 1917 to save it, famously said as they landed: “Lafayette, we are here.” Gen. Lafayette had been our first foreign friend and fought alongside Washington when we needed friends, in 1776. Is it sentimental to note this? Great nations run in part on sentiment.
For these reasons and more, Mr. President, Paris was worth a march.
It matters when, through absence and through bland statements, the leaders of America say: “Lafayette, we are not here.” For all the ups and downs of the Franco-American relationship, the French are our friends. You march with your friends. It is civilizational: Sheer numbers and the importance of those marching show the world what unity, strength and shared commitment look like. Even Putin sent a top official.
The absence of the American president shows, too, what America would never in the past have conceded or acknowledged, and it was there in the photos of the order of the march. There in the center of the world leaders was Angela Merkel, leader of the West. I wrote a piece suggesting she had become that last spring. I was disturbed and saddened—actually I was mortified as I watched the entire march on TV in New York—to see that fact played out on every screen in the world.
Mr Obama is wholly out of sync with U.S. thinking and sentiment.
Well, we sent the U.S. ambassador to France, Jane Hartley, down the street from the embassy to the march, say the administration’s defenders. An Obama bundler, Hartley is widely acquainted with New York’s journalists, who looked for her in the pictures of the crowd. I scanned dozens of pictures and could not find her. The French know a snub when they see one, and the French know how to snub back. I’m sure the organizers put her somewhere among the millions and perhaps through the obscurity of the position showed what they thought of the governmental status and standing of the person America “sent.” Memo to this, past, and future White Houses: just because you send fundraisers to represent our country in high diplomatic posts does not mean those countries will pretend they were sent Chip Bohlen. The French, of all peoples, won’t.
Were security concerns the reason for the president’s absence? Life is a security concern, you must do what’s right. Would massive U.S. security have inconvenienced others? Then make the security around the president less massive, less an imposition. There is no law that says it must be as Caesarian, and alienating, as it is. The president was too busy? He had an empty schedule. So did the vice president. The march was, at bottom, a preening and only symbolic show? When has this White House ever shown an aversion to preening and symbolic shows?
This was not caring enough.
Politico yesterday noted the president’s reaction from day one of the Charlie Hebdo story has been “muted.” He sat in an armchair in his office and pronounced the shootings “cowardly.” He also said something that struck me at the time, that the murders violated “a universal belief in the freedom of expression.” But there is no universal belief of free expression. Where it exists it has to be defended, in unity and with guts. That is the point.
Before I put up this post I searched the phrase “Lafayette, we are not here” to see if anyone had said it yet. It is already appearing on blogs and comment threads. Good. And it would be good to send our friends in France, again through social media, the sentence, “Lafayette we are here, still, and with you, even if our leaders were not. The American people.”
but, hey, barry and kerry are all over that climate threat, huh?
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WBraun
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:55am PT
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NYT is the worst American news media along with CNN, WSJ etc etc.
They are bought and sold of their soul.
They are goners,
The Obama administration boycotted the trip to France on purpose.
No American main slime media will say why because they are controlled by the same very factions that caused the events in France.
Obama knows the real story.
He was not going to go along with those French aszhole criminals staring Hollande and Netyahoo along with their fuked up crew.
You people have been 0wned again and again and again.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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NYT is the worst American news media along with CNN, WSJ etc etc.
What media outlets do you consider fair-minded, credible and relevant?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:27am PT
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What media outlets do you consider credible and relevant?
I obviously can't answer for Werner, but you need to look at the publishers who are not tied to multi-national corporations. Here are a couple I think are fairly objective:
 Democracy Now
Common Dreams
Certainly there are others that try to tell a straight story. But these days, when you have the DOJ busting journalists for their sources (and the spying by the NSA), it's getting harder.
For example, here's a view of the France massacre that you will not see in the NYT, or any other MSM. Does it ring true?
The terrorist attack in France that took place at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo was not about free speech. It was not about radical Islam. It did not illustrate the fictitious clash of civilizations. It was a harbinger of an emerging dystopia where the wretched of the earth, deprived of resources to survive, devoid of hope, brutally controlled, belittled and mocked by the privileged who live in the splendor and indolence of the industrial West, lash out in nihilistic fury.
We have engineered the rage of the dispossessed. The evil of predatory global capitalism and empire has spawned the evil of terrorism. And rather than understand the roots of that rage and attempt to ameliorate it, we have built sophisticated mechanisms of security and surveillance, passed laws that permit the targeted assassinations and torture of the weak, and amassed modern armies and the machines of industrial warfare to dominate the world by force. This is not about justice. It is not about the war on terror. It is not about liberty or democracy. It is not about the freedom of expression. It is about the mad scramble by the privileged to survive at the expense of the poor. And the poor know it.
Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/12/message-dispossessed
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
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SLO, Ca
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:36am PT
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I like a blend of sources- NYT, Economist, NPR (really the only venue on which I have heard conservatives say anything intelligent), Guardian UK. I loath Murdoch so don't read the WSJ anymore but the reporting is probably credible.
As this thread had always demonstrated, many people don't understand the difference between opinion and reporting.
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WBraun
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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As this thread had always demonstrated, many people don't understand the difference between opinion and reporting.
Nope .....
They don't even report.
They omit so that the reports are missing the full real story and you only see what they want you to see.
You've been 0wned so many times that it looks real.
In the recent events Obama boycotted the azhole Neytahoo but Hollande couldn't.
He was pissed and told that aszhole not to come to France.
The fuk head came anyway, and why and the real reason?
You'll never understand reading your American main slime bullsh!t ....
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crankster
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:16am PT
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:19am PT
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I obviously can't answer for Werner, but you need to look at the publishers who are not tied to multi-national corporations. Here are a couple I think are fairly objective:
Democracy Now
Common Dreams
Certainly there are others that try to tell a straight story. But these days, when you have the DOJ busting journalists for their sources (and the spying by the NSA), it's getting harder.
Both of those sources are considerably left leaning.
I was asking about a fair-minded, nonpartisan news source.
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WBraun
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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You are just going to have to hunt it yourself.
It's not easy.
Even the fair minded get infiltrated by left or right leaning or painted by bias or subtle disinfo.
it takes hard work and lots of time to sift thru it all ......
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:27am PT
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from another right-wing dishrag (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/obamas-legacy-caldwell.html);:
These are, however, typical Obama achievements. They are triumphs of tactics, not consensus-building. Obamacare involved quid pro quos (the “Cornhusker Kickback,” the “Louisiana Purchase,” etc.) that passed into Capitol Hill lore, accounting and parliamentary tricks to render the bill unfilibusterable, and a pure party-line vote in the Senate. You can call it normal politics, but Medicare did not pass that way. Gay marriage has meant Cultural Revolution–style bullying of dissenters (notoriously, Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty and the Mozilla founder Brendan Eich). You can call this normal politics, too, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act did not pass that way.
Obama’s legacy is one of means, not ends. He has laid the groundwork for a political order less answerable to voters. His delay of the Obamacare employer mandate by fiat, his provision of working papers to immigrants by executive order — these are not applications of old tricks but dangerous constitutional innovations. After last fall’s electoral rout, the president claimed to have “heard” (presumably to speak on behalf of) the two-thirds of people who didn’t vote. And he has forged a partnership with the country’s rich — not the high-earning professionals calumniated in populist oratory (including his own) but the really existing Silicon Valley and Wall Street plutocracy.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:44am PT
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EdwardT, you should know by now that, to most people, "fair-minded" means "agreeing with me." I find that leftists, in particular, often have great difficulty believing that intelligent people can disagree. Too often, and particularly of late, I come across people who genuinely believe that those with whom they disagree are either stupid or intellectually dishonest.
I believe that the lack of political diversity in education and the media contribute to that sort of narrow-mindedness. If I were never exposed to a diversity of viewpoints, and instead were bombarded with dogma - complete with purported evidence of the intellectual inferiority of those holding conflicting views - I think I would have a difficult time finding it worthwhile to listen to those with whom I disagree.
I see hope, though. As just one example, consider the evolution of the term "climate change skeptics" to "climate change deniers." Since skepticism underlies the scientific method, but denial contradicts it, enough people with knowledge of science rebelled against the idea that a "skeptic" disdained science. If nothing else, exposure to diverse viewpoints might increase skepticism generally, to our great intellectual advantage.
John
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:52pm PT
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Real Clear Politics is good stuff. Opposing views offered by serious minded pundits.
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Tvash
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Seattle
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Jan 13, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Did we win the Cold War? Is it over?
Cuz last time I checked, both sides still had their nuclear arsenals ready and aimed at each other.
The Berlin Wall did fall - it didn't have much to do with American efforts, though. The system collapsed under its own weight - and a serendipitous decisions of a few individuals an the Nth hour got the snowball rolling.
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