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apogee
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"Pakistani officials have welcomed the death of bin Laden but also have complained that the raid was a violation of its sovereignty."
Time to call the 'Waaaah-mbulance'.
Quit talking out of both sides of your mouth and get your political/security act together so yer shite stops splattering on everybody else, and we'll talk about 'sovereignty'.
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graniteclimber
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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Time for regime change in Pakistan.
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Seriously, get caught fighting on a battlefield without being part of a nations military, no uniform, no patches, you have zero rights, none, nada. Hold them until they die.
This is design to prevent people from going into and out of battles on a whim, hiding with their families by night and battling by day. A sound legal concept and common sense is the "Enemy Combatant".
So much for the Minutemen.
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Gene
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Fattrad,
Turn all Enemy Combatants over to the CIA and then they have no rights again.
What about Executive Order 13491—Ensuring Lawful Interrogations?
All executive directives, orders, and regulations inconsistent with this order, including but not limited to those issued to or by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from September 11, 2001, to January 20, 2009, concerning detention or the interrogation of detained individuals, are revoked to the extent of their inconsistency with this order.
Sec. 3. Standards and Practices for Interrogation of Individuals in the Custody or Control of the United States in Armed Conflicts.
(a) Common Article 3 Standards as a Minimum Baseline. Consistent with the requirements of the Federal torture statute, 18 U.S.C. 2340–2340A, section 1003 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, 42 U.S.C. 2000dd, the Convention Against Torture, Common Article 3, and other laws regulating the treatment and interrogation of individuals detained in any armed conflict, such persons shall in all circumstances be treated humanely and shall not be subjected to violence to life and person (including murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment, and torture), nor to outrages upon personal dignity (including humiliating and degrading treatment), whenever such individuals are in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1885.pdf
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shut up and pull
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Geert Wilders' problem with Islam
National Post
Jonathan Kay May 8, 2011 – 7:48 PM ET | Last Updated: May 9, 2011 10:54 AM ET
As an editor at the National Post, I often rely on three letters to protect my columnists from human-rights tribunals: I-S-M — these being the difference between spelling Islam and Islamism.
The former is a religion — like Christianity or Judaism. The latter is an ideology, which seeks to impose an intolerant fundamentalist version of Islam on all Muslims, and spread the faith throughout the world. Declaring Islamism a menace isn’t controversial. Declaring Islam a menace is considered hate speech.
Geert Wilders’ refusal to deploy those three letters is the reason that the 47-year-old Dutch politician travels with bodyguards, and cannot sleep in the same house two nights in a row. For Mr. Wilders, the problem plaguing Western societies is Islam, full stop. Terrorism, tyranny, the subjugation of women — these are not perversions of Islam, as he sees it, but rather its very essence.
“The word ‘Islamism’ suggests that there is a moderate Islam and a non-moderate Islam,” he told me during an interview in Toronto on Sunday. “And I believe that this is a distinction that doesn’t exist. It’s like the Prime Minister of Turkey [Recep Tayyip] Erdogan, said ‘There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that’s it.’ This is the Islam of the Koran.”
“Now, you can certainly make a distinction among the people,” he adds. “There are moderate Muslims — who are the majority in our Western societies — and non-moderate Muslims.”
“But Islam itself has only one form. The totalitarian ideology contained in the Koran has no room for moderation. If you really look at what the Koran says, in fact, you could argue that ‘moderate’ Muslims are not Muslims at all. It tells us that if you do not act on even one verse, then you are an apostate.”
Unlike most critics of Islam, who tend to shy away from the explosive subject of Mohammed himself, Mr. Wilders forthrightly describes the Muslim Prophet as a dictator, a pedophile and a warmonger. “If you study the life of Mohammed,” Mr.Wilders told me, “you can see that he was a worse terrorist than Osama bin Laden ever was.”
It is an understatement to call Mr. Wilders a divisive figure in the Netherlands. On the one hand, he is the leader of the PVV, the country’s third most popular political party — which currently is propping up the ruling minority government. And Mr. Wilders has been declared “politician of the year” by a popular Dutch radio station, and come in second in a variety of other mainstream polls.
On the other hand, the Muslim Council of Britain has called him “an open and relentless preacher of hate.” For a time, Mr. Wilders, even was banned from entering the U.K. A popular Dutch rapper wrote a song about killing Mr. Wilders (“This is no joke. Last night I dreamed I chopped your head off.”)
Before meeting Mr. Wilders on Sunday, I knew him mostly from his most inflammatory slogans — such as his comparison of the Koran to Mein Kampf — which his detractors fling around as proof of his narrow-minded bigotry.
Yet the real Geert Wilders speaks softly and thoughtfully. It turns out that he’s travelled to dozens of Muslim nations. He knows more about the Islamic faith and what it means to ordinary people than do most of Islam’s most ardent Western defenders.
Nor do I believe that Mr. Wilders is a bigot — a least, not in the sense that the word usually is understood.
“I don’t hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology,” is what he told Britain’s Guardian newspaper in 2008. Mr. Wilders sees Islam as akin to communism or fascism, a cage that traps its suffering adherents in a hateful, phobic frame of mind.
Mr. Wilders describes Muslim as victims of bad ideas, in other words. In this way, his attitude is entirely different from classic anti-Semites and racists, who treat Jews and blacks as debased on the level of biology.
Of course, in the modern, politically correct Western tradition, hatred expressed toward a religion typically is held on the same level of human-rights opprobrium as hatred expressed toward a race or an ethnicity. But Islam is not really a religion at all, as Mr. Wilders sees it, but rather a retrograde political ideology with religious trappings.
He notes that while other religions draw a distinction between God and Caesar, between the secular and the spiritual, Islam demands submission in every aspect of human existence, both through the wording of the Koran itself and the Shariah law that has developed in its shadow. The faith also supplies a justification for aggressive war; vilifies non-believers; and pronounces death upon its enemies. In short, Mr. Wilders argues, it has all the ingredients of what students of 20th century history would recognize as a fully formed totalitarian ideology.
“I see Islam as 95% ideology, 5% religion — the 5% being the temples and the imams,” he tells me. “If you would strip the Koran of all the negative, hateful, anti-Semitic material, you would wind up with a tiny [booklet].”
It’s easy to see why many Europeans casually jump to the conclusion that Mr. Wilders is a hatemonger. He wants to halt non-Western immigration to the Netherlands until existing immigrants can be integrated, and he wants to deport any foreigner who commits a crime — the same sort of policies as those advocated by genuine xenophobes.
But even so, his insistence on the proper distinction between faith and ideology is an idea that deserves to be taken seriously. For it invites the question: If we permit the excoriation of totalitarian cults created by modern dictators, why do we stigmatize (and even criminalize) the excoriation of arguably similar notions when they happen to be attributed to a 7th-century prophet?
It’s a good question. And as far as I know, Geert Wilders is the only Western politician taking it seriously.
National Post
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shut up and pull
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Howard Dean, 2004:
Asked what should befall the ringleader of the vast terror network our country has been in active combat against for over two years, Dr. Dean astoundingly replied that he would have to refrain from making such a pronouncement until a jury rendered its verdict at the end of a criminal trial. Capping this imbecility with his now-familiar knee-jerk smugness, Dean declaimed that those in "positions of executive power" should not "prejudge jury trials."
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shut up and pull
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RUN LIBS, RUUUUNNNNNN!
This is from a speech Obama made in 2006:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.
Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.
Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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good one apogee,
maybe Alice was right about SUAP
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feel the hopey changey?
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graniteclimber
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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/02/eveningnews/main20059024.shtml
Pakistan greater U.S. enemy than Qaeda, spy says
CIA source on Osama bin Laden thinks country treated as ally should be referred to as "a hostile country, a hostile state"
One man who was not at all surprised is Afghanistan's former spy chief and for years the CIA's lead source on bin Laden, Amrullah Saleh. In a rare "60 Minutes" interview, he said recently that America's greatest enemy in that region is not al Qaeda. It's Pakistan.
Saleh: You have to give Pakistan a title. Is it a friend? What is Pakistan?
Logan: It currently has the title of ally.
Saleh: Right. Deceptive.
Logan: So you think its title should be?
Saleh: It should be a hostile country, a hostile state.
Logan: So Pakistan is the enemy of the U.S.?
Saleh: The amount of pain Pakistan has inflicted upon the United States in the past 12 years is unprecedented. No other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation.
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shut up and pull
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YA GOTTA LOVE THE LIBS NOW.
Obama in the toilet gets an opportunity to order the killing of OBL inside Pakistan -- and this dolt waits 18 hours before giving the go-ahead.
Now the libs are in full chest-beating mode, after 10 years of telling us:
1. Terrorism is not caused by Muslims, but by all kinds of people -- Christians, KKK, a few Muslims, etc.
2. We should not invade Muslims countries and bomb them, especially if they have oil, because that makes em mad and want to kill us even more (but, bombing Libya for no apparent reason is just A-ok).
3. We must shut down Gitmo.
4. We must repeal the Patriot Act.
5. We must ban waterboarding (tho Obama and the Dems had 2 years to pass a law banning it -- which they somehow forgot to do).
Hey libs -- are you now big supporters of assassination on foreign soil?
Who knew?!!!!!!!!!
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