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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Sep 29, 2010 - 11:57am PT
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the expense of spaceflight is not the issue
we can and should be sending thousands of people into space
we spend a tiny fraction of the national budget on spaceflight in comparison to what is invested in DHS and DoD
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 29, 2010 - 12:08pm PT
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So the subject has changed? We are no longer talking about the absurdities of how a massive ark traveled through interstellar space to wind up on our moon?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Sep 29, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
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absurdities relative to what?
i've personally watched el cap climbing go from a multi-year marathon to a before breakfast romp
i grew up running mainframe computers that filled a big room; with far less compute power than my blackberry
my great grandmother came west from st louis to boise in a constoga wagon, helped her father build a house that she lived in for nearly a century, and sat in that house watching moon landings on tv
if everything has to make sense relative to our current limited world view, then best of luck
one thing we can be pretty sure about is that our world view is due for massive changes
we have much to learn
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian, Certified Kook
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Sep 29, 2010 - 12:52pm PT
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Tom great stuff. Glad you stepped up to the plate.
Cracking water, care to provide more details ? I've heard about it before.
Unexploited low cost energy sources ala Teslas work etc, well imagine if the USA's energy costs were slashed to next to nothing. Suddenly those savings go towards your long term unfunded Federal Government liabilities looming over your heads right now.
HealeyJ, in 2007 I sourced up over 50K$ in private funding for Sasquatch research. Half the money went into optics, including night vision, the rest to expenses. My observations support the conclusions they can achieve invisibility, by either bending light around them or allowing photons to pass thru them. They have also demonstrated telepathic capabilities to me and my friends. Lastly I have also seen strong evidence of telekinesis too. Accessing higher dimensions, well I'm not sure what that looks like or entails but I have video of stuff at night that makes me suspect its in their repertoire.
Anybody ever done any reading on plasma cosmology and the electric nature of the universe ?
Finally I would not be surprised if Alien contact has already been made at the highest levels in military already, and decades ago. I'm sure the government is in the dark about what the military knows.
Re: the ark on the moon. they crashed it there after unloading its contents on earth first.
Re: the moon - it carried the water from somewhere else to earth and deposited it here. Perhaps the moon previously orbited one of the planetary gas giants, and was moved to earth orbit by the Gods/ET
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 29, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
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we have much to learn
no doubt.
i just dont swallow the notion of a massive coverup in the apollo progam to hide an alien spaceship on the moon...but if i am wrong i will buy you a beer!
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Sep 29, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
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i am not making any claims to any insider or personal knowledge on these things
however there is a lot of information readily available that is not so easy to dismiss, even though buried in an avalanche of misinformation
it is clear that there are powerful insiders manipulating people and their opinions using the media and religions and all sorts of wild ideas, but not so clear who they are or what is their agenda, other than world domination
i don't see any thread here on direct mind control; which is one of the major investments of the black budgets
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 29, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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Tom, gotta ask, so where do you stand on telekinetic, invisible Sasquatch?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 29, 2010 - 02:26pm PT
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healyje, I gotta ask, how come you think the Phoenix Lights were flares?
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian, Certified Kook
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Sep 29, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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healyje = US Navy disinformation agent
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 29, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
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My observations support the conclusions they can achieve invisibility, by either bending light around them or allowing photons to pass thru them. They have also demonstrated telepathic capabilities to me and my friends. Lastly I have also seen strong evidence of telekinesis too. Accessing higher dimensions, well I'm not sure what that looks like or entails but I have video of stuff at night that makes me suspect its in their repertoire.
As stated on the bigfoot thread, that's some pretty amazing logic.
a) I know they're there >
b) I can't see them =
c) they're invisible
'Invisibility', 'evidence of telekinesis' and 'accessing higher dimensions'? All on $50k? That would certainly make you the research bargain of the century if you could get any of that peer reviewed.
How about DNA? Got peer reviewed DNA results?
I'd say you'd have to be right about the interdimensional stuff because if they lived in the NW with a minimum viable population we'd be tripping over each other on a regular basis.
P.S. I spent way too much time in navy brigs for them feel good about writing me checks.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 29, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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K-man - the Phoenix lights were flares just like the Mexican ufos were oil rigs.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian, Certified Kook
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Sep 29, 2010 - 03:18pm PT
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How about DNA? Got peer reviewed DNA results?
My Hair samples went to Dr. Robert Alley, Anthropologist, University of Ketichkan, Alaska. Mine matched the other samples he has collected in Alaska. No medullas, therefore no DNA although there are methods I believe of extracting DNA directly from hair.
Bigfoot presents a physics problem, and study of the subject would benefit if a physicist was involved. There is an electrical nature to bigfoot which has been observed by many.
Bigfoot eyes glow, the body invisible, the glow is perhaps a signature of an electrical force in play enabling invisibility
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 29, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8704462/
bmacd, looks like it was one of those evolved Bison who could walk on his hind legs....
"Bison, not Bigfoot, stomped through Canada
DNA test of hair sample shows it came from bison, not Sasquatch "
EDMONTON Perhaps he is still stomping around somewhere, but a DNA test has confirmed that it was not Bigfoot roaming the Yukon earlier this month it was just a bison.
A hair sample was reportedly plucked from a bush near Teslin in the Yukon at a spot where several people claimed they saw and heard a large, hairy creature making a late-night run through their community. They also reported seeing an unusually large footprint.
The witnesses speculated that they had seen Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, an ape-like creature said to haunt the wilderness of western Canada, among other places.
But Bigfoot's presence was refuted after a geneticist from the University of Alberta did tests on the sample, and said the DNA match for a bison was 100 per cent.
David Coltman, the geneticist, says the DNA suggested the hair sample was not fresh.
Coltman agreed to do the tests as a favor to a colleague, and had said Monday that he suspected the hair was actually left behind by a much more mundane Yukon bison.
If Sasquatch is indeed a primate, then we would expect the sample to be closer to humans or chimpanzees or gorillas, Coltman said at the time.
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The legend of the large, hairy, two-legged creature lurking in mountains dates back to before Europeans settled the continent. This was the second report of the creature near Teslin in just over a year.
In the latest reported sighting, a group of Teslin residents told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. they heard branches cracking and saw a large human-like creature run by a house. It left behind large footprints, they said, and the hair tufts that were given to wildlife officials.
Coltman said Monday that the process should serve as a good way to get students interested in the field of DNA testing.
Its sort of like a wildlife CSI story, he said.
EDIT: maybe he arrived on that ark that got stuck on the moon
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian, Certified Kook
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Sep 29, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
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contact Dr. Robert Alley, Anthropologist, University of Ketichkan, Alaska if you have questions about my samples
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 29, 2010 - 03:36pm PT
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bm,
i dont get it. i mean, if there is hair from BF then that is some pretty strong DNA evidence to support his/her existence, should be allover the news. not tryin to shoot you down, just looking for understanding...
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Sep 29, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 29, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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Sorry, I stand corrected. Looks like Klimmer was at least partly right.
Except it's not an ark. It's a plane. Here's very good photographic evidence:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Edit: Oops. Cintune beat me to it by seconds. :-)
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 29, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
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bmacd, one problem with your physics-whiz sasquatch is that there is nothing even close to that in nature, from electric eels to gifted human psychics. not a glimmer. there would have to be a biological mechanism for it--certainly a creature involved in no more than basic hunting and gathering wouldn't be doing it with gadgets. and yet, such mechanisms appear nowhere else, not even in rudimentary form. if invisibility had evolved in nature, it would certainly have been well exploited in predator-prey relationships.
tom raised the issue of mind control which i think is an important one. in bmacd's case, i'm suspicious of a couple things. one is a $50K grant, a lot of money coming out of nowhere. the other is his apparently being the victim of a street gang, just in time to handicap his research. two strange things out of the blue. "there are no coincidences."
in wonder's case, i have a different suspicion. natives love to play tricks on whites, especially when they come into their territory to make money. his account sounds like a wonderful experience, but it could also be suspect as a merry little hoax, the joke on the white guy.
there is evidence that dark ops singles people out, works on them, makes assets out of them. i used to chat with a gal who was in the canadian air force, bucking for a promo to captain, a single mom, frustrated and ready to quit. one day she was confronted by a man under some strange influence in the base parking lot, late at night. she felt threatened, pulled her gun, ordered him to stand down. he kept advancing, she shot him dead. the investigation didn't find much--some disconnected, apparently homeless individual. the guys in charge of base security were fired. shortly afterward, she got her promotion.
those of us who have gotten suspicious of the government note that many key assassin figures seem to be disturbed individuals under a strange influence. two manchurian candidate movies have been made on this subject. and take a look at the jonestown event. congressman leo ryan, passionate to get the cia under congressional control, was killed at jonestown, which was suspected to be a dark ops mind control lab subcontracted to a religious cult a few years after the cia had been ordered to lay off mind control experimentation.
fellas, get the aliens to decommission a few other things besides nukes.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 29, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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"K-man - the Phoenix lights were flares just like the Mexican ufos were oil rigs."
HJ, I didn't ask for your opinion (I already knew that), I asked how you formed your opinion.
From eye witness accounts of hundreds of people, the Phoenix Lights were not flares. So, I'm wondering how you formed your opinion that they were flares.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 29, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
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"those of us who have gotten suspicious of the government note that many key assassin figures seem to be disturbed individuals under a strange influence."
That guy who hit Yoko's husband comes to mind. He had a lot of strange connections. But ...y?
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