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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jan 17, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
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blahblah is just butthurt from blahblahvision
BTW, NWO2, when you show jews marked as jewish with emblems pinned on their clothing, don't be surprised when people think of how the nazis marked jews.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 17, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 17, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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TLP, it was the 1998 El Nino that had the huge century scale heat release.As for an answer to your question of why temps are just remaining flat-Heat is currently being released from some surface source in the pacific, the closest source being the western pacific warm pool of ENSO, otherwise Australia and other nearby oceanic island nations, wouldn't be in the second year of sharply above normal temps. As far as reduced TSI, it takes years if not decades to show up as meaningful decreases in SST. Other solar amplifiers are not well understood,although interest is on the uprise and 71 peer reviewed papers were published in 2013,but may well take similar lengths of time to show their effects. Give it a few years and we might well see a significant decline. Many solar scientists worldwide are calling for such.CO2 does have a role in the atmospheric IR retention but it appears that it's factor is well below prvious IPCC estimates and impeded by more negative feedbacks than positive feedbacks. Once again i must qualify this as just the opinion of a laymen after a good amount of reading on the subject.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jan 17, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 17, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 17, 2014 - 11:19pm PT
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Well Ed that was quite a commentary from the land of fruits and nuts. Again, amigo, the models are failing on all fronts, to suggest otherwise is delusional. Even the IPCC adjusted suggested projections downward by "expert judgement". Now what does that mean Ed? Perhaps even the lead authors and many others have come to the conclusion that the models have a long, long way to go. I still contend that perfect knowledge will never be attained. My simplistic suggestions are no better or worse than the dart throws of expert climate scientists so far.
Last spring you were suggesting the IPCC's goal would be reoriented towards a sort of a long range regional weather forecasting service. What happened between then, the AR5 release, and now?
EDIT: Mark, oy
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 17, 2014 - 11:48pm PT
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Rick,
Oy.
Consensus is present sufficient for the position that the phenomena we are observing is significant climate change (global warming is a soundbite and inadequately conveys the overall pattern of climate change). To argue against this consensus can only be defended by "cherry picking" the data/studies and it is intellectually dishonest.
To have a conversation about the underlying causes of the phenomena is legitimate, if it is done with enough intellectual rigor.
From the 2013 IPCC Summary Report:
"Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased (see Figures SPM.1, SPM.2, SPM.3 and SPM.4). {2.2, 2.4, 3.2, 3.7, 4.2–4.7, 5.2, 5.3, 5.5–5.6, 6.2, 13.2}"
This is the consensus. It is good science to consider outlier studies openly and, most importantly, critically. Outlier studies can be useful in modifying models toward greater accuracy. To use them in arguments against the fundamental model developed from the consensus of the science is lying.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 18, 2014 - 12:26am PT
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The consensus is a lie, the models inaccurate projections,the only projection of the models with any basis in observed reality was the arctic warming of the 80's to 00's. If you have anything, any predictions from the models for the next five years, then post them up. Sanctimonious scientific gibberish in defense of a failing theory is a cheap trick.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 18, 2014 - 12:37am PT
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 18, 2014 - 12:38am PT
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 18, 2014 - 02:18am PT
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The Chief,
You don't really know how science works, do you. The gentleman you refer to above is a classic case of using cherry-picked information of questionable value that had no real relavence to the issue at hand to make an argument for the outcome that you want. That has no relavence to science.
Colin Powell made the error of being a "good soldier" and doing what he thought was his duty for his comander-in-chief when he knew he was being told to lie and it stuck in his throat when it was coming out. Look at the old tapes and tell me it isn't so.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jan 18, 2014 - 08:42am PT
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I could care less what people call me ,or otherwise .
It is perseverance in keeping the noise of the deniers countered by fact.
If that says something about me,Bruce,Chiloe etal ,Then so be it.
I for one ,respect that role.
Go ahead ,call me names!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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So are you another of the individuals out there that dictates their entire existence SOLELY based on...
"Science"?
Another individual that agrees that "science" is the fundamental/unquestionable governing process of all things in the Universe?
He didn't say that you loud mouthed f*#ktard.
The fact you're a f*#ktard would be tolerable if you learned to STFU, listen once in awhile, and speak on topics about which you know something.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 18, 2014 - 10:54am PT
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Science is the observation of what is as closely as we are able to discern it; mysticism is the direct experience of what is as closely as we are able to live and breath and be it.
The Tao Te Ching (Lao Tzu) is one of my most favorite books of all time (along with Meditations (Marcus Aurelius)). Have read many different translations of the Tao Te Ching, but my far and away favorite is by Ralph Alan Dale; it stands far above all the rest!
Anomalies and artifacts within the data are "bread and butter" in science. The trend lines you posted above are consistent with most climate change models.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 18, 2014 - 11:16am PT
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The consensus is a lie, the models inaccurate projections,the only projection of the models with any basis in observed reality was the arctic warming of the 80's to 00's. If you have anything, any predictions from the models for the next five years, then post them up. Sanctimonious scientific gibberish in defense of a failing theory is a cheap trick.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 18, 2014 - 11:17am PT
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Bruce Kay -- "I fight these ethicless bastards not to persuade them but to persuade those who do have ethics but have mistaken illusion for reality."
This coming from a guy who doesn't even know who he really is and why he was born on this planet.
And what to speak of reality itself, you're clueless.
Oh save us Bruce from our selves when you can't even save your own self first, period.
Learn to save your self first other wise you'll just end up fuking up everything outside of your defective self.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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The Chief demands.
"... answer the question WITHOUT asking another and dodging the question... thanks."
But if you ask the same of he, you will soon see why he makes this demand. It is his method of discourse. Dodge the question and deflect by demanding you answer his strawman questions.
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