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EdwardT
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Good Lord, you're dense. Armitage has freely admitted he outed Plame.
Come on Curt. Try to keep up. I never disputed Armitage being the leak. I said the leak wasn't part of an effort Bush & Co. (identified as Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby) to intentionally out Valery Plame.
You guys wanted it to be true for so long that you forgot to educate yourselves on outcome of Fitzgerald's investigation.
Yes, Scooter Libby was found guilty of numerous charges. But I don't think any of those charges proved Bush & Co intentionally outed Plame.
Armitage outed her. Inadvertently. He was being a gossip.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Kman:
Let's talk about Trump's platform!
Exactly!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Somedays going through my email can be pretty entertaining. Check out one of todays finds;
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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So why did you vote for that guy (twice), pyro?
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Norton
Social climber
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So why did you vote for John McCain in 08 when the US economy was in Recession and losing 500,000 jobs a MONTH when he said he had no plans to change any of the Republican Bush Administration's "policies" that directly led to the Recession through lack of financial regulation?
So why did you then again vote for Republican Romney in 2012 with same no change economic policies?
any plans to graduate from high school this year?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I've always wondered if Bush was as stupid as he acted. If it was just an act, it was a damn good one and might make him the smartest in the room.
Still wouldn't surprise me if Hillary is really just Cheney wearing her old facial skin. Ever seen the two in the same picture recently??!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Cragar
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MSLA - MT
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It looks to me like Trump wants to immediately repeal Obamacare and replace it with something everyone can afford. I got that info from his website and I did not see any specifics regarding his plan other than everyone can afford it.
Does anyone here have any info on what his plan might consist of?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Does anyone here have any info on what his plan might consist of?"
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Umm....does anyone have the details for any of Trump's plans to 'Make America Great'?
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Norton
Social climber
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Does anyone here have any info on what his plan might consist of?
simple
just eliminate health insurance companies denying coverage for pre existing conditions
then go back to the good old days when one company dominated an entire state
don't forget to include knocking 20 million people off of Medicaid
take away the subsidies for low income people so they can't buy healthcare
eliminate the cap on the health insurance companies profits
bring back Leave It to Beaver
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Cragar
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MSLA - MT
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like this one:
Dems are clueless of his fact.
You must not know many or have meaningful convos with any? I know a fair number and most know this and the idea of HRC is toxic to them.
OK, Klimmer let's hear them. I can't find any specifics of his plan in regards to: what it will take, why it is better, a thoroughly vetted outline, and how everyone can afford it.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Umm....does anyone have the details for any of Trump's plans to 'Make America Great'?
His job is to provide the illusion of a choice in this election and to place Hillary on the throne. She'll be a good murderous puppet.
Oh, and also to provide entertainment, that can't be understated. The citizens are both horrified, amused, and confused!
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Norton
Social climber
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Trump: HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
like I said
simple
just eliminate health insurance companies denying coverage for pre existing conditions
then go back to the good old days when one company dominated an entire state
don't forget to include knocking 20 million people off of Medicaid
take away the subsidies for low income people so they can't buy healthcare
eliminate the cap on the health insurance companies profits
bring back Leave It to Beaver
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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The more I review the FBI report, the more this reminds me of the "plausible deniability" Poindexter described in the Iran-Contra affair. I simply cannot find sufficient evidence of criminal liability by Clinton herself (as opposed, possibly, to underlings) in the handling of classified information.
Obstruction of justice, on the other hand, probably isn't dead, because of emails that were not produced but were relevant to the investigation, but even that seems a dubious charge to me, at least against Clinton herself. Again, there are too many layers to pin the required scienter on her.
In fact, however, she isn't being judged for criminal liability; she is being judged for fitness as POTUS. Unfortunately, there exists no disqualification for office other than those set forth in Article I of the Constitution. If bad character disqualified a candidate, certainly we'd be rid of a choice for Trump. Besides the obvious results of his "filterectomy" (to quote "Pearls Before Swine"), anyone who stiffs subs the way he has fails my personal character test. The destruction of the Clinton campaign's explanations of the email scandal in the FBI report would doubtless do the same for her candidacy.
In the real world, we don't get perfect candidates. What many Trump supporters fail to realize is that most of the public does not view Trump as particularly intelligent; rather, they view him as merely privileged. Thus, for many, the choice is between having a smart crook or a dumb crook as POTUS. (Just to be less unclear, I'm talking perception, not necessarily fact when I use the word "crook.")
I think, in the end, enough of the electorate won't be as concerned about Clinton's emails as they will be about Trump's mouth - and the extent it reflects the apparent vacuum in his head. The emails will remain an issue throughout the campaign, but they won't be all that important in determining its outcome.
John
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Norton
read closer, try
Bob spelled it out for me.
Derp, derp, derp.
Edit: The "derp, derp, derp" was about me... being a dumbass.
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