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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Sometimes I really begin to understand why veterans detest civilians at some level.
Cheif I dont always agree with ya.. sometimes I know you are just trolling and have a much more nuanced opinion than you present. Anyway..I'm glad you are here. You make more sense to me than most of these trolls even when I disagree with ya...heh
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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In cases like this perhaps the reverse is equally true.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
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No it is not.. sadly you'd have to have a realistic perspective of both sides to make that judgement. Something most here cannot do.
How to explain the really amazing good things our military does during wartime..all the while calling those they help by politically inappropriate labels behind their back?? Uhm and yeah they kill people too. Very definately
It is a different culture but a good one in many ways I have a hard time explaining. The culture shock for folks when they leave it and return to civilian life is often terribly intense.
What was appropriate and actually proper in the military becomes something interpreted very differently by civilians.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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You're on a roll Philo... keep em coming.
You too LOcker.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Vrooooooooooooooooooooooom.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
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Yeah it is different..a lot different. You expect more from a human being than most are capable of.
Gut level emotional reaction trumps intellectual knowledge.
Anyway The Chief sure does not need my support on this thread.. I'm as likely as anyone to have an argument with him next..lol
But in this case you guys got a little window into the reality of military life and you didn't like or understand what you saw.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
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It would be a shame if this thread was nuked.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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^
Is that what I think it is?
edit: I'm offended I say, completely offended!
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jstan
climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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To start with, in my opinion, we are evolved as a pack animal and so we naturally find circumstances as pictured above to be horrible. No matter who the afflicted. That said, I think we also need to face reality. What are we willing to do about this and what are the chances we will see our efforts as being successful by the time 2200 rolls around? A devil of a question since we see the future dimly at best.
These questions are not highly personal in nature, but they pose another question that we may actually address and do something about. Why does this discussion, and others on ST, become highly personal? The idea of taking very personally a situation that no one person can repair, can't be explained without presuming something like a hidden agenda. Such as I need, above all else, to be perceived as being right or I have not done something I should have, and so need to defend myself.
In 2006 I began devoting some time to ST because my experience with climbers as a population convinced me they are a very serious and immensely able group. They were able to address difficult questions realistically in the 1970's, leaving me deeply impressed. People with the abilities I saw before are still here in substantial numbers IMO, but somehow as a group we now seem unable to surmount the noise.
If we can't surmount the noise, all of our hard earned potential will amount to nothing.
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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this really is a great thread
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RyanD
climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
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Holy moly, the chief, you are still doing this??!!
You are the whitest dude on Supertopo.
I mean this in the most detrimental way.
What you have done gives you no "pass" to be a Rasict piece of sh#t.
Your attitude does as much or more damage to your own country than any terrorist could ever hope for. They don't need to do much when there is Americans out there like you who are happy to destroy the foundation of your society all on your own by peddaling hatred.
Same thing they are trying to do. They just need to steer you a bit here and there. It's simple subversion tactics designed for simple minds that cannot process real information. Even when it is presented clearly and concisely right in front of them. Check the video below, made in the 80's and see how it parallels with the way things are in the U.S. today, the kgb aspect may be irrelevant but I found some of the examples available off the top of my head to be facinating.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"Ideological subversion is the process, which is legitimate, overt, and open; you can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all American mass media has to do, is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes, and they can see it. There is no mystery. [It has] nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage intelligence-gathering looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through the advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond-type of thrillers." Yuri Bezmenov of the KGB
"But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion and [the] opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower [are] spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process, which we call either ‘ideological subversion,’ or ‘active measures’—‘[?]’ in the language of the KGB—or ‘psychological warfare.’ What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality, of every American, to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country." Yuri Bezmenov of the KGB
Four steps to Ideological subversion:
Demoralize
Destabilization
Crisis
Normalization
Signed-
Someone who just wasted their time responding to the chief.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 13, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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A little angry, eh Ryan? Intolerant, bigoted, and a racist pig out to destroy white folk also.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Dec 13, 2015 - 02:38pm PT
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A little ball cupping, eh Rick?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 13, 2015 - 02:40pm PT
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You PC crybabies.
When in combat you can call your enemy any name you want.
So fuk you!!!
That was the Chief's original point all along until you loons ran with it in your own stoopid projecting bigoted directed onto the Chief.
Stoopid topo loon people do this en mass all the time.
+1 Wbraun
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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looks like he has a Fender Strat that color coordinates nicely with his piece
what's not to like?
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
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More likely to be a Squier...
ah yes, why does he look like he reminds me of someone who posts frequently?
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Dec 13, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
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Everytime I see that tape, I wonder why the door gun has the field bipod.
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 13, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Dec 13, 2015 - 05:23pm PT
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LMAO...
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Dec 13, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Dec 13, 2015 - 05:26pm PT
Let's see some more of your 1st grade Photog work... Luccker.
As I see it, I have occupied at least two hours of your "brain" day today. The smoke surely has to be spewing out of that half shaved head of yours.
Fking Racist SKINNY Killer
Credit: Locker
And I didn't have to lead them so much, either, Luucker. Cus their skinny jihadist innocent unarmed women and children slaughtering legs couldn't move fast enough.
HA HA HA HA HA HA...........
Ummm you are a sociopath.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 13, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
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Interesting (or way f*#king depressing) signal-to-noise ratio on this thread.
jstan posted this:
In 2006 I began devoting some time to ST because my experience with climbers as a population convinced me they are a very serious and immensely able group. They were able to address difficult questions realistically in the 1970's, leaving me deeply impressed. People with the abilities I saw before are still here in substantial numbers IMO, but somehow as a group we now seem unable to surmount the noise.
If we can't surmount the noise, all of our hard earned potential will amount to nothing.
A call to us all to rein in our pettiness and put some effort into solving serious problems.
A good post. Which was followed by a blistering personal attack. Noise to the max.
John, I salute you for your futile attempt to lead us to common sense and civility, but with people like Philo and The Chief unable to rein in their hatred of themselves -- which translates on Supertopo to hatred of everybody else -- you're just pissing into the wind.
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