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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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... the only difference was that Libby presented all the facts.
If Libby presented all the facts, then tell me again why he was convicted?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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As long as this thread is completely off the rails and OT....
Man, Blair is sure getting the roast today across the pond....
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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They don't say anything about Cheney, even though it was Cheney that outed Valerie Plane
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Armitage and Libby that outed Plame.
Nobody was indicted for that.
Libby was convicted of the charges because he lied to a prosecutor ( Comey, the same fellow who in now the FBI director not charging Hillary), a Grand jury, and in court.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Curt but, but Benghazi !!!!!
Apogee...Blair is getting big heat, maybe time to go after Bush.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Blue or Red makes no difference. The system is rotten to the core.
We've got a garden variety narcissist acting like a clown make-believe he's running "against" a neocon warmongering criminal who isn't accountable for anything she does.
Rome must have been a similar experience towards the end.
Most empires that have fallen have had a combination of outside shocks (war, famine, etc) and dysfunctional politics.
Yes, our politics are dysfunctional, but our current choices still matter and politics are relative. Compared to most places in Africa, our politics are great.
I find it hard to imagine how people think that it won't make any difference whether Hillary or Trump gets elected. You have a choice between a sleazy, wonkish centrist who will generally go with the status quo, and a politically inexperienced angry populist demagogue whose mental fortitude to be president is highly suspect.
If nothing else, the POTUS makes a huge difference for Supreme Court decisions that directly affect people's lives. Obamacare and gay marriage were 5/4 decisions. The Texas abortion case 5/3 (but it only would have taken one vote difference for it to have been null).
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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It's been time to go after CheneyBushCo for years now...but it'll never happen.
Republicans will keep the spotlight on BBBEEENNNNGGGHHHAAAZZZZIIIII and HRC's email faux pas as long as possible.
And the rest of Uh Merri Kuh will wag right along....
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Norton
Social climber
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Libby was convicted and sentenced to over two years in prison,
His "buddy" President Bush interceded and "pardoned" his jail time.
Does this bother anyone who voted for Bush?
or more likely, you voted Republican because you can't stand voting for economic prosperity
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Norton
Social climber
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Blue or Red makes no difference
words usually spoken by uninformed and misinformed high school kids
"makes no difference" - tell that to the thousands who died in Republican Iraq
"makes no difference" - tell that to Locker and twenty million others who now have health care thanks to Democrats
scorecard, bitches
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Watching Trump right now, he is totally of the wall. Bat-shit crazy.
His golf course, Chuck Todd, sleepy eyes, Saddam, his golf course, his son, crooked Hillary, DOJ is on the take, her husband Bill!! More about him, Bobby Knight, Newt, newt think I'm great, the crooked press, f*#k he is off the wall crazy.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Well, Jodi Ernst and Bob Corker, two US Senators being considered for VP by Trump, both just said they are not interested in the job.
Gee, I wonder why...?
Curt
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Is there a correlation between Gri-Gri use and candidate preference?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Pyro, Bob D needs a reminder....
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Norton
Social climber
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"I went to an Ivy League school, I'm very highly educated. I know words. I have the best words"
Donald J. Trump
"I went to an Ivy League school, I'm very highly educated. I know words. I have the best words"
"I went to an Ivy League school, I'm very highly educated. I know words. I have the best words"
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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They don't say anything about Cheney, even though it was Cheney that outed Valerie Plane
I should have been more specific.
Is anyone still gullible enough to think Bush & Co. (Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby) intentionally outed Valery Plame?
8000+ dead on Bush's watch, no concern,
Does that 8000 number include the 2000+ troop deaths under Obama's watch?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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No, but it should count 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by both sides under Dubz watch.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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You repeat the same cesspool of stoopid garbage all day every day here .....
Number 25,882....way to go duck.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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No, but it should count 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by both sides under Dubz watch.
I think you know there are problems with that figure, or the way you're portraying it.
Civi deaths happen for many reasons, and you are quite aware of that. Targeting a civilian is much different than collateral damage or enemy troops sheltering with unknown civis.
But I also know that W would be the first one to offer prayers and HONEST regret for those who died innocently in the war. I know this.
The bigger question is how many civilians have died at the hands of terrorists, and why?
I'm gonna start a new thread for this.
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