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apogee
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Ummm, that verdict happens in a trial, doesn't it?
This was not a trial.
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dirtbag
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What a copout. If there was "potential evidence" isn't it their mandate to find actual evidence?
Ya know, sometimes it's just impossible to figure out what is going on, even with the best people and copious resources to devote to the problem. I can definitely relate to that. And often, straight simple answers are elusive. Life is awfully messy that way.
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apogee
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This was the conclusion of the gubmint's efforts to determine whether there was enough evidence to warrant prosecution. They investigated...found insufficient information to pursue it...and announced their conclusion.
That kind of announcement is going to take some explaining, and is not a up/down, guilty/not guilty process.
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dirtbag
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Facts being what they are, it can no longer be denied that Hillary is a serial liar, negligent and incompetent.
Meh, who isn't?
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Comey is a Republican appointee of George W Bush, so of course the decision was political. Of course he was going to let the Republican off... oh wait.
So um, Comey is a Rino. Throw him out of the GOP, throw him out I say!
It's fun the see the foot stomping and teeth gnashing of the right over this. Legal experts have been saying for month it looks like she did nothing to be indicted over. And Comey said no one has ever been indicted over similar actions. Yet they want her to be indicted SO BAD, that... BENGHAZI!!11
Yes Hillary is a liar and careless. She wouldn't be elected if the right didn't choose someone much worse than her to run, Trump. Had they simply chosen the more reasonable Republican Kasich, Hillary would be not be elected. You made your bed...
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Bob D'A
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Taos, NM
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Apogee to certain degree, Comey in my opinion when beyond that.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Reilly...I blame Comey for that. His rant was uncalled for and beyond his duties. My opinion.
I think Comey was in an impossible position. If he simply said he does not recommend prosecution, given the facts everyone knows, people would say it's a coverup. If he recommended prosecution, and he lost the case (likely, in my opinion), he had no future in a Clinton administration, which he probably doesn't anyway. I think he said what he said to show that the FBI did, in fact, conduct a competent investigation and reached a supportable conclusion. In other words, he said what he said to protect the integrity of the FBI from circumstances that would otherwise call it into question.
In a somewhat unrelated matter, why are we spending so many posts about Hillary on a topic allegedly about Donald? Merely showing her imperfections doesn't make Donald the better choice. Supporting Clinton in the face of her issues does not make one intellectually dishonest. It merely recognizes that her imperfections are far less consequential than Trump's.
In my opinion, Trump has done nothing to make him a more desirable candidate since becoming the presumptive nominee. If anything, his protectionist economic policy and his shallow campaign demonstrate his negative qualities in sharper relief. Even if the FBI recommended indctment (as they probably would for a non-politician (think Martha Stewart or Michael Milkin), that doesn't make her worse than Trump. In fact, I rather suspect that Trump, too, should be investigated for violation of campaign finance law, among other things.
Confining the discussion to one candidate, without comparison to the others, is simply an exercise in logical fallacies.
John
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Yes Hillary is a liar and careless. She wouldn't be elected if the right didn't choose someone much worse than her to run, Trump. Had they simply chosen the more reasonable Republican Kasich, Hillary would be not be elected. You made your bed...
Exactly, except I'm not sure who constitutes "the right." Trump has little appeal to traditional conservatives.
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fear
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hartford, ct
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You guys are amusing, and just willfully blind as the rabid Trump supporters...
Circus for everyone!
14k coming fast....
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apogee
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Yep, John, that's pretty much where I sit as well.
Now can we move on? There's soooooo much more stoooopidity on the Right these days to be discussing.
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trailridge127
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Loveland, CO
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^^^The pot calling the kettle black
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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I think Comey was in an impossible position. If he simply said he does not recommend prosecution, given the facts everyone knows, people would say it's a coverup. If he recommended prosecution, and he lost the case (likely, in my opinion), he had no future in a Clinton administration, which he probably doesn't anyway. I think he said what he said to show that the FBI did, in fact, conduct a competent investigation and reached a supportable conclusion. In other words, he said what he said to protect the integrity of the FBI from circumstances that would otherwise call it into question.
I think that's exactly right. Comey was trying to thread the needle, knowing that he was dealing with an explosive issue.
Curt
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Escopeta
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Idaho
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I certainly hope that situations where the cops are the ones that decide what and if charges are brought against someone doesn't become a trend in this country.
Nice that we have a firm hand at the Attorney General wheel. Also nice to see that Bill Clinton saw fit to help her steer. Here honey, that thing's heavy - let me help you.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Exactly, except I'm not sure who constitutes "the right." Trump has little appeal to traditional conservatives.
I could have been more definitive by saying "the majority of republican primary voters" Trump is a weird mix of positions but a lot of his support comes from the same red meat faction of the republican party that likes Palin. Tell them what they want to hear even if it's not the truth. Never admit American makes mistakes (unless of course it's the dems/left doing it) blame all problems on someone else (a recipe to really handicap improving anything), demagogue galore. Think they know what's best for everyone (of course they claim the far left does this, which they do, but the far right also does it in another way).
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apogee
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"I certainly hope that situations where the cops are the ones that decide what and if charges are brought against someone doesn't become a trend in this country. "
Umm....exactly who would you prefer to see make the decision as to 'what and if charges' should be brought against someone?
The pitchforked masses on your Fox News channel?
(Countdown to meaningless and dimissive response...10...9...8...)
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Now can we move on?
Yes. Let's move on. After all, this story is yesterday's news.
Clinton lied repeatedly throughout this whole investigation. Just about every time she defended a specific detail she lied.
Then last week, her husband has an unscheduled, private meeting the Attorney General of the United States.
What's Lynch's response? "Oops. My bad."
Hillary's? "They've said, you know, they would not do it again"
Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. Say no more.
A week later, Comey comes out and says (I'm paraphrasing) "they did everything we thought they did, but we don't think anyone should be charged.
I love this lie "“In looking back at our investigations into the mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.”
Hillary lies through her teeth. The investigation confirms she did everything she was accused of. And the FBI says let's move on.
This reminds me of the Affluenza Case and the Stanford "He's already suffered enough" Rape Case. Not the crimes. But how the offending parties are treated like hapless victims who've already been through enough.
Overall, I think Hillary is okay. She's clearly more qualified to be Trump. I'll probably vote for her.
But the way this has played out looks like something from the banana republic.
Go USA!
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Umm....exactly who would you prefer to see make the decision as to 'what and if charges' should be brought against someone?
How about prosecutors?
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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I think it wasn't even a majority of Republican primary voters that preferred Trump; rather a mere plurality. This was the elction of 1912 all over again, except that Wilson was Trump, and the rest of the Republicans were the Taft and T. Roosevelt equivalents.
And I, too, prefer that prosecutors, not police, decide when and against whom to bring charges. For all the prosecutorial misbehavior I've seen, I still know most to be dedicated to the cause of justice, just as I've known most policemen to be. The difference is that prosecutors have a better understanding of what it takes to prevail in a court of law. The cost of obtaining a not guilty verdict is, itself, a massive punishment for almost anyone accused of a crime.
John
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dirtbag
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Cops make that decision thousands of times a day.
"Give him a warning, or a ticket. I think a warning will do."
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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All of the truth of this investigation concerning Hillary matters a great deal.
You're not at all interested in the truth. You're interested only in convicting Hillary Clinton of something, guilty or not.
Curt
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